Anyone else tired of being told to "give it up to GOD" or that you are "being prayed for"...earnestly?

Oh Rosella I read Ursella LeQuin as well in college for a SCI Fi and Literature class. "The Left Hand of Darkness"

Jsomebody...I don't believe anymore....yeah I gave it up. I don't believe in some imaginary God out there who supposedly created everything and everyone..naw....it's a nice fairytale fantasy story that makes people feel good but naw. We are on our own and it's gonna take all we got to get through it by ourselves. Funny thing this morning they said on the news that prayers work...and the punchline to this newstory was that if you leaned in really close to the person then the prayers would work. Okay so to me that plays to the sick persons psyche of making them think they are going to get better. It did me no good all these years - wasted a lot of time and money. The best thing about religion is that it tries to bring folks together to care and be fair. I think that's the basis of all religions anyway. It really is just a natural law with the emphasis of a god who will punish if you don't be good kinda thing. Mankind wrote down all those words in the bible, not a god on some lofty cloud somewhere. These are my thoughts on the matter...and don't appreciate any pouncing from the religious folk..you can have it your way...and I will have it my way. One good thing about the USA...freedom of choice

"Key God's Car..." No really...

Thank you for all your responses.

Signing off this post for a second time.....It won't go away!!!!

I take it with a grain of salt, they are saying something important to them usually, the best they can do, and have no inkling what it would mean to live SANS a god in that manner. I imagine if they were in our shoes, they'd assume themselves to be damned. Some are probably lazy and this is the response the are accustomed to giving, not realizing it is "thoughtless." You're supposed to nod and intone, "God's will, yes.He has a higher purpose."

I will offer to key God's car door on your behalf...or break his kneecaps. I would think the typical response to unexpected or tragic happenings would be to curse God for the Injustice of it all.

ok jsomebody . i understand what ure saying .
ok fine u dont believe then i will not answer anymore on this post.
i have no bussniess to be reading this like u first said do not read this ,
im backing off now .
hope all things goes well with you then on .
i will not say lord or god or jesus to u anymore .
all i can say if ure not happy then u should do something about it like i said it earlier , get some help or have someone eles take him in . so u can feel so much better .
i worry about u not begin happy and down in the dump . i know i ve been down in the dump too many times but always seem to snap out of it many times .
good night

This river doesn't have ups and downs really it is just one long dirge.
It is what it is. I will be grateful when it is over. I have options coming up now so don't worry.

Jsomebody,personally I think you are in a raging river going down for the third time. You're so young and so consumed with anger. I think you recognize it, that's half the battle, can't you get some help? You may love your mom but that's not enough reason to continue to live in such misery. At this point, your priority should be believing in yourself. If you don't save yourself, who will? your mom? definitely not grandpa.
Blogging is great but at the end of the day, have you found help or hope or answers to how you are going to help yourself get out of this mess? You may have been beaten down by your family but you can make your life better. I know a few people who have been lower than you,but they decided one day to stop the madness. One of them is my stepson, addicted to drugs for over 20 years, living a life of sheer self-induced hell, things going on that curled my hair when he told me. He knew he was going down for the third time but he made a choice to be the man he is today. I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I sincerely am very saddened by your words.

Will you stop thinking of yourself like that? We are stressed. We are all stressed. Few of us are really nice, in this period of our life, I think. We have to be conscious of that, so we can face our difficult life with more strength. It's no use to pretend that all of this is easy and pleasant. It's not.
Genetics? They are made to be destroyed! We have to fight and win over our genetics!

Maybe I am just not a nice person. I wouldn't be surprised, I think it is genetic in my family.

I am not a better person than you are; I just try to spread my antennae and understand other people's intentions. I am several years older than you are and maybe I understood that the only way to understand is to "feel", forgetting the words! You do not have an idea what terrible things says to me one of my cousins. You could think that she hates me, well, she is one of the people that loves me more in the world! That's her nature, she is a road roller, but a very good and generous one!

That is ok rossella, you are probably a better person than I am, I am just easily provoked and very opinionated. And in a very not good place just now.

Someones got very angry, but everybody took you seriously and tried to help you somehow. If I were you, this is the thing that I would learn from this experience, whatever was the subject of the thread. I personally like when people pray for me, even if I am in a period of disbelief, too... It shows interest and concern and love.
Well seems I am talking from a pulpit and so I stop before becoming unbearable

I don't know any more. I was annoyed at being preached at I guess, but usually it is best to ignore it because it clearly just brings more. I guess it doesn't matter any way. I was asking if any one felt the same, and a few did and others got very angry.

Of course we do not all agree with each other. Everyone has his opinion, We are not talking about mathematics, (which is an objectionable science too). Only, I am starting to wonder why you opened this thread if your final reaction was "I believe what you will, I believe what I will". What was the point of all this fuss!

I am not surprised a lot of people are upset, a deeply held belief being dismissed would bother any one. However I stick with my view. I do not believe. I am not a christian and I do not find "god" in religious texts written by man and I don't need to.
Who am I to question something another hold inviolate? Just another person posting on a blog. Why should I have less to say because I don't agree with someone?
My situation is complicated and my responsibility, things are changing and as for "what goes around comes around", consider this, maybe he is getting what he deserves. And honestly, he is not having a bad time of it. All his needs are met, he has his amusements and all whims and health needs taken care of. To me he is an onerous task, full of offensive language and perverted behaviors that I endure out of both being too scared to change my own life and love for my mother whose choice it was that he come here. yes there are family issues in the past.
I disagree that I should not be allowed here, this is an open forum, I am entitled to express my view just as you are to express yours. If you think I am wicked and selfish and full of s@@t that is your opinion. You do not live my life, nor I yours.
On top of this you also do not all agree with each other. One says I should not blame god another says, that god causes all things to happen and is responsible for all life?? I am pretty sure if there is a god, god is up to my anger and pain. I don't think god needs protection from me, truly.
Religion is a very personal social issue. You all have your own beliefs as i have mine. My point of the thread was simply being irritated by the dismissive angle of the "let god take it off your hands" argument when no such thing happens. And I AM grateful for every good moment I have on earth and all the substance I have, in a world filled with suffering, weariness, starvation and abuse brought to bear on the smallest and most vulnerable of this world over and over and over. I at least have food, shelter, clothing, and adequate, if imperfect medical care...All provided by my mother.
I don't believe enough in "god" to blame god for this now. It just is. It is just part of my life.
What others choose to think and feel about it is their choice. I choose to hope this all ends soon and be resentful and still do what is needed for my mothers sake.
"Don't blame god? Give it up to god, god controls and causes all things to be, god did not cause this, god is infinite and all powerful, god is busy doing some thing else, god loves us all as children god punishes us all as children". Well I guess every one picks which one makes them feel best. Pray for me...Curse me to hell, that doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. It really just doesn't. And for certain and self righteous persons, why my un-knowledgeable thoughts should bother you so much is your own issue. If you have faith nothing I say can sway it.
Be mad, it doesn't change a thing. Feel sorry for me call me a heretic. It is not my concern. I wrote because the bland blanket statements of some others faith was annoying to me. So, now we are all annoyed I guess. Time to make grandpa dinner..See, nothing changes.


Don't bother telling me I have no right to expect god to "make the world a swell place for me personally" when that is what all religions sell ultimately. Either here or in the ever after, all justice will be true and swift, the transgressors punished and all the holy will sit in the presence of their god. I guess that is the best point of organized religion, what ever the question, angle or issue there is an answer, whether the one contradicts the other, it is there, what ever you want. If you want doom and gloom and despair you got it, if you want holy-ification of the known world you have got it. You can keep it.
I felt,it is wrong to assume everyone on this site is of a religious back ground. You don't have to be "one of the faith" to do care giving. Sometimes it just falls to who it falls to. In my situation everyone else has a life. Oh and half of them are born again christians and pentacostal.
Theological debate, why ? But it really doesn't change any thing. If, after all this, you know, life, I was way off and the story book tales of organized religion were correct, (Which religion pick one) well then I guess I was wrong and you can feel good about my being sent to the fires of hell. I notice, most of the religious people I have come across get as much satisfaction from the thought of the punishment of others, as for their own glorified righteousness in the end.

You believe what you will I believe what I will.

It is a win win for every one.

J has posted some harsh words that show she is in need of compassion and helpful thoughts and words, not a bashing because she does not believe as others. She put what she is truly feeling, into her own words, and should not be chastised because of this. We cannot fully understand the horrors she has been through and should offer kind words and support instead of trying to force our beliefs on her. After all, isn't that being a good Christian?

I am very glad that the tones softened... I hope Jsomebody understands that all these posts have been an attempt to help her. Everybody tried his own way... But everybody meant well-

btw: if someone says, "I'll pray for you." BRING IT ON....the more "prayers," positive energy, or love that comes my way the better. I believe there is a Higher Power out there who guides us and keeps us from falling off the deep end. Whatever and however you choose to define it is a personal matter.
Love and Peace to all here,
Lilli

What did Grandpa do to you that makes you feel this way? Was he such a terrible person that you find no comfort in assisting him when he can not do so for himself. I can understand if he was abusive towards you or your parent, there are many reasons why you might resent him. However, if it's affecting you this badly, definitely find a way to get help. Where are the other grandkids or family members? Get out of this situation at all costs because your mind and soul are at stake. Don't blame God for this. Do something soon.

This was a very interesting subject and I am glad it came out. These thoughts should not become taboo, because, as a friend of mine said, "When something becomes taboo, everything becomes taboo". I think most people, in distressing periods of life, have questioned God. I am having very difficult years, so, honestly, I'm feeling far from Him, right now. But I keep searching for answers and I am sure that this crisis will come to a happy ending. I have never doubted, though, that exists of a stream of "Goodness" which fights against the darkness, which can take many forms, a friend, an animal who loves you, a perfect stranger who lends you a hand and makes you smile when you feel down, down, down. This site testifies that there are people who care about other people, who look for support, but give a lot of support, too. Sometimes this support comes under the form of kind words, sometimes it comes under the form of tough words.. But it is a support, anyway!
Tks to all of you

2 Timothy 2:25 calls Christians to gently instruct people who appose biblical truth. I know that Jude calls for Christian to contend for the faith once delivered, but if that is not done in gentle love, patience then it is not Christ like.

I could get into apologetic, but that does not fit this thread nor the context of this site. I no longer feel like I have to correct everything or everyone that I don't agree with. If you want my view, I will tell you and if you want to know why, I'll enter into dialogue but not in a spirit of meanness. If you reject my view, then that's ok too, but I'll not stop relating to you out of love as a fellow human being.

I'm a Christian but I don't like religious; pious sounding platitudes. To just invalidate how someone is feeling or the realities of their suffering by saying 'well just put it all in God's hands" or I'm praying for you is mean when the drowning person needs some sort of active help like the boy who once told his mom how scared he was in a storm to which his mom said, don't fear God is here, and the boys said yeah but I want some flesh and blood.

I meant that if God is an entity of infinite goodness and understanding, we should take example from Him and not judge/attack another human being who thinks differently than us. We should learn to embrace everyone, even if he says things that shock us. I am very far from being so good, there are people that I frankly cannot stand, for example cruel people. But, if "I" cannot stand them, the "God" I like to believe in, has an infinite capacity of love. (and he loves them too). I do not know if I am clear... I think we have not the right to be so harsh on a person, who is clearly going through a difficult period..

i dont read the bible myself , i tried to read it and just dont understand it . but boy i remmy my moms words on about what the bible says , bless her heart .
she always remind me what the bible says . i always knew theres god ever since i was a little girl . i have seen things and heard things so i know there is god .
i would lose faith and gain faith back then when times were so bad i would lose faith and boy lord behold i would cry and ask lord to forgive me ,
dad always said things happens for a reason and nobody could understand it . im a true believer on that THINGS HAPPENS FOR A REASON .
i know abut the war and kids getting abuse and killed by thier parents etc . getting robbed , havin wrecks and all . why lord whyyy !!! thats one thing im shakin my head on those . why lord why ??
nobody knows why .
makes ya wonder if there is lord ? some would say nana . if theres god he wouldnt let those bad things happens .
well know what i finaly figured this out . we are on hell s earth . only thing thats heaven is my home and my own lit family ... stay away from the bad guys and stupidity people .
jsombeody . u know u dont have to go in deeper depresions . its ur home and u have every rights to make a happy home . its all up to u . gpa makin ur life living hell well he s one of the bad guy . kick his ass out !

Read my first post rosellaitaly. Who is trying to be a lawyer here? I am just defending what I feel should be defended, which IS my faith AND The Word of God. She seems to think her earthly existence is to have a trouble free day, EVERY day. If it were like that, why would we have to come to this site to get guidance, support, compassion? No, I don't know her or her life, but I DO know who God is and I DO know that when someone is questioning God or others faith practices, it is time to step up to the plate and TRY to get that person back on track, not be apologetic for who they are in Christ, if you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of you when you stand before The Father. I will NOT allow an ignorant fool to comment on a public site that The Word of God is a book of fables without becoming very adamant in stating that It is not. If she doesn't think prayer works, then it is our responsibility to lift this person up in prayer EVERY day, because obviously she is searching and cannot find the true answer in her OWN wisdom.

Just to show you what a good Christian I have become.....I'm going to resist the temptation to verbally tear you a new one.

GLORY TO GOD!!!!!!!!!

Jsome,
GOD put the earth in our stewardship. We are the ones that have F__ed it up!
Sorry you didn't understand the BIBLE.
I don't pray to make myself "feel" better. I pray for the benifit of others, but as sylvester said...you're too busy in your misery. Evidently you like it there because I see you taking no one's advise or guidance. If you are not willing to receive assistance.......

Sylvester 18, Jsomebody does not need a lawyer, she can defend herself! I just would like to tell you that I did not like your post at all. You should not judge one person without knowing anything about her or her life (and you should not judge one person even if you knew everything about her). I do not know Bible too well, but I happen to remember a sentence: (more or less) Even if you have a faith that can move mountains, and you have no charity, you have nothing...

DAMN IFU DO DAMN IFU DONT .
I CHOSE TO BELIEVE .
AND ITS DAMN IF HE DONT REPLY MY PRAYERS /
BUT ITS DAMN I DO STILL LOVE THE MAN ABOVE .
I HAVE ROOF OVER MY HEAD , I AM WARM IN WINTER
I HAVE FOOD IN MY REF . SO YES I DO GIVE A DAMN .
A MAN ABOVE ME PROVIDE THOSE FOR ME .
I PRAYED AND ASK HIM NOTTO TAKE MY HUSBAND AWAY FROM ME
WHEN HE WAS HAVIN 4 BY PASS OPEN HEART OPERATION .
HE KNEW I WOULD TURN MY BACK AGAIST HIM AN DGO DOWN THE WRONG PATH .
IT WOULDNT BE FAIR IF HE TOOK MY HUSBAND AND NOT MY DAD , I WOULD BE JUST LIKE U JSOMEBODY .
I TOLD YOU TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO . GET SOME HELP FROM HOME CARE NURSE TO COME IN AND DO UR DIRTY ASS JOB .
GET A SITTER TO COME IN AND GO DO WHAT U WANT TO DO FOR FEW HRS OR ALL DAY . HAVE UR MEAN ASS GRANDPA PAY FOR IT !
THERE ALL UR PRAYERS HAS BEEN ANSWERED .