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Are you trying to get this aide fired? You're on a forum asking twice if this person can drive your parents car when the agency told her she could not. What are WE going to tell you that the agency has not? That there's some loophole in the law that forces this agency to allow their employees to drive clients cars? There isn't. Each agency can make up it's own rules. If you do not like the rules this agency has, find another agency that has rules you DO like and use them. That's the best advice you'll get.
Just a thought, the aide themselves, if a licensed driver, may need insurance saying they will cover her driving someone elses car. Aides do not make much money and may only carry liability insurance on their car and the minimum amt of coverage.
But you have had your answer, the agency will not allow it. The Agency is the aides employer.
I want to clarify, you can use your own car to run errands but not transport a client.
Just because you see aides all over with clients does not mean car insurances allow them to drive the clients cars. If privately hired, they can do what they want. This is an agency saying, No, my employee cannot drive your car.
If the agency says NO then the answer is purely and simply N-O. She is working for this agency. She is bound by the rules of the agency. Whether or not your Mom's insurance would cover things is completely irrelevant to this question because the aid is working for the agency.
When my brother was attempting to live at home his last years he came to that place where he could not longer drive. When we called Visiting Angels we asked all questions we needed to know. We never used them as their minimums in work time were too long for our needs, but they explained that if driving was required it COULD BE ARRANGED and I assume for a higher fee, but that in that case the people sent that day would be vetted, cars checked and etc. This was in Palm Springs. Each place has their own rules. While you use them you abide by THEIR RULES.
If the Agency does not allow it because of liability, then the aide cannot drive your parents car. Has nothing to do with ur insurance OKing it or not. Her employer says no. Its her job if she does and has an accident. She also should not be using her car because she would be held liable and could be sued by her client.
I worked for a VNA. We were subsidized by the township. Our vehicles were township owned and could not be used to transport patients. We had a patient that needed to get to the doctors so I volunteered to take her. My boss told me by doing that, I also took on the liability.
You definitely can in Florida. I see caregivers in work smocks all over town with their clients. I seem them at the grocery stores all of the time. I see them in restaurants.
My boyfriend worked at a battery store and they would get caregivers and clients almost daily.
Yes, you can in Maryland. We used a number of agencies and they could all drive Mom and drive Mom places.
They went out to lunch. They went to the hairdresser. They went for groceries. They went to the beach and walked on the boardwalk with Mom's little dog.
To be honest... If I were a caregiver I do not think I would want to take out 2 people 1 with Dementia and another that is 90 years old. That is 2 people that I would have to watch in a store, one that may wander off and the other that probably has mobility problems (just guessing o that).
Read the policy that the agency provided. It should indicate if the caregiver can drive a client or if the agency prohibits that. If they prohibit it then it is an agency policy and you can look for an agency that will allow it and switch agencies. Or the days when you need to have the caregiver take mom and dad someplace you contact a Ride Share and then the caregiver is a caregiver and can concentrate on that and not on diving.
I know when I took my Husband out sometimes it was a challenge keeping track of him. (he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and I suspect he also had Vascular dementia) And he also had mobility problems ever since he fell and fractured his hip. I had to stop taking him out when with the help of a caregiver I had to lay on the ground and help him turn his feet so that he could sit properly on the seat of the car. It just became to dangerous to take him out.
Familyfour I am not sure I understand Your question.
When you say “Insurance said” who spoke for insurance? Did you call the 1-800 # on your card and they said others could drive the car and be covered under your parents policy? yet when you spoke with someone at your parents agency, they said the aide was a liability to your parents?
I always thought it was okay for a licensed driver to drive my car if I gave them permission.
Perhaps call another agent and ask your question and what you need to make them fully insured for the aide to drive your parents car??
97, the problem is in worker's compensation insurance. The aid, if properly licensed, would be covered for the accident by the parents insurance but, any resulting loss of work would fall on the agencies worker's comp insurance and increase their rates going into the future. This is often the deciding factor for many company policies.
It could be that the agency doesn't have the proper coverages in place and this is a sticky widget with how they do things "legally".
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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But you have had your answer, the agency will not allow it. The Agency is the aides employer.
Just because you see aides all over with clients does not mean car insurances allow them to drive the clients cars. If privately hired, they can do what they want. This is an agency saying, No, my employee cannot drive your car.
When my brother was attempting to live at home his last years he came to that place where he could not longer drive. When we called Visiting Angels we asked all questions we needed to know. We never used them as their minimums in work time were too long for our needs, but they explained that if driving was required it COULD BE ARRANGED and I assume for a higher fee, but that in that case the people sent that day would be vetted, cars checked and etc. This was in Palm Springs.
Each place has their own rules. While you use them you abide by THEIR RULES.
I worked for a VNA. We were subsidized by the township. Our vehicles were township owned and could not be used to transport patients. We had a patient that needed to get to the doctors so I volunteered to take her. My boss told me by doing that, I also took on the liability.
My boyfriend worked at a battery store and they would get caregivers and clients almost daily.
They went out to lunch. They went to the hairdresser. They went for groceries. They went to the beach and walked on the boardwalk with Mom's little dog.
If I were a caregiver I do not think I would want to take out 2 people 1 with Dementia and another that is 90 years old.
That is 2 people that I would have to watch in a store, one that may wander off and the other that probably has mobility problems (just guessing o that).
Read the policy that the agency provided. It should indicate if the caregiver can drive a client or if the agency prohibits that. If they prohibit it then it is an agency policy and you can look for an agency that will allow it and switch agencies.
Or the days when you need to have the caregiver take mom and dad someplace you contact a Ride Share and then the caregiver is a caregiver and can concentrate on that and not on diving.
I know when I took my Husband out sometimes it was a challenge keeping track of him. (he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and I suspect he also had Vascular dementia) And he also had mobility problems ever since he fell and fractured his hip. I had to stop taking him out when with the help of a caregiver I had to lay on the ground and help him turn his feet so that he could sit properly on the seat of the car. It just became to dangerous to take him out.
I am not sure I understand Your question.
When you say “Insurance said” who spoke for insurance? Did you call the 1-800 # on your card and they said others could drive the car and be covered under your parents policy? yet when you spoke with someone at your parents agency, they said the aide was a liability to your parents?
I always thought it was okay for a licensed driver to drive my car if I gave them permission.
Perhaps call another agent and ask your question and what you need to make them fully insured for the aide to drive your parents car??
It could be that the agency doesn't have the proper coverages in place and this is a sticky widget with how they do things "legally".