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My parents, Dad 97 and Mom 92, are currently living with my husband and me. We are retired. Assisted living was not a good match for my parents. We decided to have my parents move in with us. It was working out ok in the beginning but I have developed resentment forwards Dad. Especially, when is sarcastic and behaves in his holier than thou attitude. He battered my Mom, had at least 3 serious extra marital affairs, of which I at age 10 witnessed him doing her and he introduced me to another. We had bill collectors come to the house and Mom had to go to work when I was 9. My sister and I were “latch key kids”. He didn’t work for about 10 yrs., our house was foreclosed on, and he went to prison for fraud for a year. Between all of this chaos were some good times too. Mom divorced him and took him back. I thought I had forgotten/forgiven him as we have had an ok relationship since 1980 or so. Now that they are both living with me, when my Mom gets angry with him, she brings up the past. She is making me relive my childhood, and I feel a lot of hate and resent him. I also have a rage, where if he is his sarcastic self, I will remind him of his past and how ungrateful he is to mom, and where I feel I can finally say what I could not as a child. It’s not good. I have tried making him a stranger, but when he knows he is pushing my buttons, I lose it. Out of the goodness of my husband and me. Why do I feel like I am being punished by having to relive my childhood into retirement years? I did not realize or even thought this would happen. The whole reason we had them come to live with us, was to make them happy, eat good food, be comfortable and with family. Moving Dad away, is not doable. How do I stay centered and focused on the present?

I feel terrible for the one person in this scenario that we know nothing about: OP's husband. I don't know what his life was like before, but having the peace of his home shattered like this has got to be hell on Earth.

It appears that you are unable to stay centered and focused on the present, or you wouldn't need to ask this question. I don't know what kind of answers you are expecting to receive from this forum. You can't make anyone happy and these two seem determined not to be. Either get some counseling or change the living situation are the only solutions I can think of.
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“ The whole reason we had them come to live with us , was to make them happy , eat good food and be comfortable and with family .”

No one seems happy or comfortable in this situation .

The choices are
A). Move parents

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B). Live with parents but realize no one will be happy or comfortable . Very elderly seldom are .

Your parents will never be happy .
So I agree with the poster who said the only way to live in the present is to not listen to or talk about the past.

You tell them you don’t want to hear about it , it’s in the past . If that doesn’t work , tell them to go to their room if they want to rehash things , otherwise they shut up about it in front of you .

You took them in to YOUR HOME . So it’s YOUR RULES. Make a rule that this nonsense of the past is not to be spoken about in front of you .
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waytomisery Aug 13, 2024
This rule can apply no matter where they live actually . You don’t have to listen to it . If they end up not living with you and they start in with this rehashing , you cut your visit short and leave .
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I Found that the relationship between My Parents was their business and Not Mine . When my Mom Brought up my Dad I stayed Out of it . He supported her for 24 Years after her second Husband abandoned her . He did Not Have to do that . When My Dad would complain about My Mom dumping Him I stayed out of it . Their relationship was not My Problem . It is best to live in the present as you can't change the Past . If he Pushes your Buttons Make a Boundary and ask him " Do you want to go to a NH Because I Cant tolerate abuse . " Only You Can speak up for yourself . You are No Longer a child But are regressing back to the Past which is not good for any adult .
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You and they are in a rehash loop where it’s all about who did what 35 or 50 years ago. You can’t live in the present if you keep rehashing the past.

You have the power to tell them to shut up when they start on you.
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"It's all a big greedy business." The business has to pay their bills and salaries of caregivers or they wouldn't stay in business to take care of people. Buinesses pay taxes, they transport their patients, they feed them, house them, do their laundry, carry out their Depends to proper disposal, host visitors for them, take them on field trips, and to the doctor. Add it all up and it's significant. People complain, but look at the list! You're doing all that for mom and dad for FREE! Working for them for FREE instead of traveling and enjoying retirement! Why do it for FREE? Why not let someone else do it and pay THEM?

How much income do mom and dad have? Did or do they have a house? How much does it cost you and husband to house them? Would you be willing to pay that to a board and care home where they could live?

Time to rethink the options.
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My heart goes out to you because your situation is a bit similar to mine, except I never had either parent live with me I would have completely lost my mind. Thank Jesus they each had funds for care.
My mom passed in ‘18 from Alzheimer’s complications; I was getting my life back together and then my Dad’s drama really started heating up in 2020. I’m an “only “ of both parents. My life has been deeply impacted for over a total of a decade. I was an inconvenience as a child , so I don’t have those warm fuzzy memories from my childhood.
My best advice to you in order to save yourself, your sanity, and your marriage would be to let your parents know that you and your spouse are no longer able to house and provide for them any longer. Give them a firm timeline of perhaps 30 or 60 days. You’re not a charity and you’re not a professional care
You've already
gone over and above for them, arm them with suggestions such as Medicaid applications and phone numbers to get the ball rolling and best wishes to you and your spouse for regaining control of your lives.
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I've seen some very fine group homes. My BIL is in one with perhaps 8 people. They live as a family in the home, which is owned by an RN who has several such homes in that city. 24/7 care. I've heard of married couples living there together. Hospice care comes when needed. This is in a residential neighborhood, and you'd never know it was an elder home. BIL is there for memory care.
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Unfortunately Silvey if you aren't willing to put them in a nursing home facility paid for by medicaid because they are broke, all you can do is suck it up and deal with it as best you can and hope that because dad is 97 that he will die sooner rather than later, same with mom. Or they will have a medical emergency that makes it impossible for them to return to your home. That's really your only option and choice right now.

It is never wise to move abusive parents into your home. But if you are willing to continue reliving your past with dad and mom and all that trauma, then what can anyone on this post say to change your mind? It's time you chose yourself and told your parents they will have to live with the consequences of their choices and decisions and that may mean a sub par facility. After all when you were a helpless child it did not seem to bother either one of them that they were abusing you (each in their own ways). Those emotional scars heal over but they never disappear. Save yourself. Choose yourself. I really hope you do because you deserve it.
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Q: Why do you feel like you are being punished by having to relive your childhood?
A: Because you are.
Q: How do I stay centered and focused on the present?
A: Determine that staying centered and focused is your goal and make a list of steps that will achieve it. One of those steps needs to be to get both mom and dad out of your home permanently. If you can't see that, there's no hope here, and you continue to live in a home where no one is happy until two people die. And even then you've got the residue of what's happening now added to what happened long ago. You'll be trudging through that mental sludge forever.

If you really don't want that, YOU need to change. You can't change your tormentors. You've tried long enough.
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Silvey Aug 13, 2024
so where am I supposed to put them? They have no MONEY, and no AL will accept you without hesitation MONEY.
it’s all a big greedy business.
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My Mom was in a 39 room AL. Nothing is perfect but Mom was taken good care of. The other AL we havevhas a MC section. People sign up to enter this one, very nice. A couple I know were in a great one.
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It sounds like you’re determined to make yourself miserable and ruin your life out of some weird desire to be a martyr.

Good luck with that. This is like kicking a hornet’s nest and then complaining about being stung. You have no one to blame for the horrible situation you’re in but yourself.

Consider therapy. The real victim here is your poor husband.
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MeDolly Aug 12, 2024
I agree, makes excuses why nothing works for parents. Deep down she thrives on being a martyr, the one who is going to save them and make them happy...doesn't work that way.
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In my opinion, you don't really have a question that anyone on this forum can help you with because you've already made the decision that moving your parents out of your house is not an option. That is your choice - no one is forcing you to choose your parents over your own wellbeing, your marriage, your husband, etc. I think you need to seek therapy and ask a professional mental health counselor "How do I stay centered and focused on the present?"
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All assisted living.facilities aren’t alike. If dissatisfied with one, go find a better one. That’s better than eliminating ALL of them based on what happened at ONE.
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Exactly!
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OP replied below stating her continued belief assisted living is not an option. Any further answers need to be mindful of this choice
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Is there a reason why assisted living was not a good fit? My dad also emotionally abused my mom and I and had a affair. You can go back and read my story but I think we have similarities. You nor your husband deserve to live with someone who has mistreated you and still does. This is only going to ruin your mental health. My dad still talks ugly to me. Most recently today. He says belittling things to me because he is in a bad mood. Your parents need to move. If not both, your dad does. It was also my intent to take care of my father and I did so for many, many years after my mom died but it got to be too much so after a hard fight at times and etc., he is now in a facility. You said you want them to be happy. What about you? I ask this because for years I put his happiness above my own and I missed out on alot. Now, with the help of this forum and counseling, I learned to set boundaries.
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Silvey Aug 12, 2024
Thank you for your responses. AL was not a good fit because I. The 2 facilities they were in, nursing care was poor, food improperly cooked, waiting to be served took 2 hours at times, went though ombudsman and reported the AL to social services and they were found culpable. Was not informed Mom had tested positive for Covid…. Over $10,000 a month just for basic level of care. These AL facilities are dumping grounds for the elderly. I have been touring other facilities, and spoken to the patients. They tell me the same thing I’ve experienced and these are Atria and Eskaton. I could say a lot more. So no “dumping” them in AL is NOT an option.
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You’re allowed to change your mind.

You did not sign a contract, written in blood, that you would let them live with you until their dying days.

Give them 2 weeks. Tell them to be packed and ready. In the meantime, you arrange for Assisted Living, again.

Since when was ANY apartment a perfect fit?

Out the door, they go.
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You need to talk to your Mom. If she took him back and presumably forgave him, why going over this again and again? Either you forgive and move on or leave abusive relationships.
Your story is like so many others on this forum, took Mom or Dad or both to live together and it was Ok for a while.
And then not so great anymore.
You and hubby need retirement with concentrating on you needs, wants.
I had bad childhood, abusive first marriage. And great second marriage even though my husband has Parkinson’s. Why am I generally optimistic?
I don’t dwell on any of it. I am realistic person and know what comes next is going to be worse.
But it made me stronger and tough as nails. And determined to live best possible life.
I strongly believe all those obstacles or tough times should teach us something i.e. appreciate what is good in life, or change things.
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"Moving dad away is not doable" you say. Why on earth not???

"Assisted Living was not a good match for my parents" you say. Why on earth not???

Being with family wasn't enough for "dad" the first time he had the privilege and abused it. Why would it be enough now?

Good food is available in Assisted Living.

Why are you making all these excuses to keep your parents with you in your home?

How do you stay centered and focused on the present, you ask?

Read the book, The Power of Now, by Eckhart Tolle.

https://a.co/d/j9YtIKP

I'd wish you luck, but I don't think it's luck you need as much as the courage to do what's right for YOU now. At 97, dad's already had his life.
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Clearly, “happy” isn’t working out for anyone and the only viable solution is to move your parents out, back to assisted living. Realize your mother long ago chose to stay with an abusive man, and continues this choice every day. They belong together, but not in your home. Save your health and your marriage and move them out ASAP. I wish you peace
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ElizabethAR37 Aug 13, 2024
I absolutely don't accept a woman staying with an abusive man, husband or not. In my book there's never sufficient "love" to balance out abuse, especially when it's physical or sexual. However, women who came of age during and immediately following the Great Depression often had little choice.

My mom was born in 1906 and got married in 1929 (great year!). She was trapped in the "housewife myth" of the post-WWII era. While my dad wasn't abusive, he wasn't the best husband either. My mom overlooked a lot of problems to keep the family together. She never worked outside the home so was always financially dependent.

Her situation taught me a HUGE lesson early in life. I held P/T jobs from age 17. Starting at 21 (post-college) I held full time employment until age 72, when I decelerated to P/T until just short of 78. I was able to provide for myself completely as an adult female, even if I didn't always have to. I earned my own fairly generous Social Security benefits, for which I am very appreciative as an old woman of 87. Many women of my mom's generation weren't so fortunate.
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I always wonder at our hubris thinking that we are A) reponsible for other people's happiness and B) omnipotent enough to MAKE them happy.

You tell us you feel you are being "punished". If so, you are doing the punishing yourself, as it was you who created this unhappy situation.

It is also you who can end it. If you choose to do so.
As adults we must be responsible for our own decisions. Even in taking in parents who are loving, organized and agreeable there should be:
1. An agreement drawn as contract for privacy, for re evaluation monthly about whether the plan is working for all (and if not working for one it is out of the question).
2. An agreement for payment of shared living costs and their reevaluations.

If this was not done it is too late to get it done before move-in, but not too late to do it now.
If this was not done and the situation is not working for you then you will need to let your parents know this, help them find other places to live (whether a good fit or not) or evict them.

Again. You are an adult and you made this decision. We often, in life, make wrong decisions and the reasons are quite unimportant. What is important is that we CORRECT them and LEARN from them.

People do not change. Basically we die as we lived. And others cannot change us.

Truly I wish you the best. I understand this is harsh but I feel that sympathizing with people who do these things holds them back both from addressing the awful situation and from learning from it. Lessons for us all come the hard way. Sadly. I wish you good luck. Discuss first with your family and then have a HARD but HONEST discussion with your parents.
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You feel like you're being punished by reliving your childhood because you are being punished.

No one should live with or be a caregiver to their abusers. Honestly, you should place them both in care. Not just your father, but your mother too because she also behaves abusively. Lashing out at you and making you a target to project her anger on instead of where it belongs (with your father) is emotional abuse. Your mother's own life choices led her to where she is now. You had nothing to do with it.

I come from an abusive home myself. Of course there were some good times too. The good times doesn't negate the abuse though. Let me ask you something about your father. Does he start up with the sarcasm and pushing your buttons when your husband is around? I guessing that he doesn't. Usually abusive fathers keep in in check around their daughters' husbands.

Here's how you handle this. You and your husband (he has to back you up) sit them both down and tell them they will not be living with you anymore. Tell them that it isn't working out because you and your husband cannot normalize the disrespect they have for you both, your home, and each other.


If the sarcasm starts up and they think you're bluffing have them served with legal eviction.

Bottom line they cannot live with you any longer and that's it.
You say you forgave your father a long time ago. Forgiveness does not mean that you have love for someone. Or that you even respect them. It does not mean that you take them into your house and provide care, respect, reverence, and love. Neither of your parents earned any of this from you. They had many years to earn it like so many of our parents, but they didn't. So you don't owe it to them.
Forgiveness can mean that you don't let past abuse and trauma take up one minute of your peace, joy, and love.

Do one more caring act that neither of them deserve and find them an AL to go to. If they refuse, then file eviction papers in the court.

It's time for your abusive parents to take some accountability for how they've lived their lives and make some amends for ruining yours.
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I agree, from my experience the parent that is less abusive, is pushing the abuser, and just a more secreted abuser
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Is Mom a problem, if not, place Dad. Give Mom a break. Your not going to change Dad at this point.

My Dad was a good man, he loved my Mom and his kids, but he felt he was the man of the house. He was not easy to live with. Confidence he did not instill in his kids. There was alot of "truth said in jest". He would start out kidding and then cross that line. He pushed buttons. Two siblings ignored him, 2 it effected and I was one of them. I told my brothers (my sister passed) that if Mom died before him, he would go into a home. I was not caring for him. Because as my husband says "I let him get to me ". And I thought I had gotten over it until one Thanksgiving he made a snarky remark to me and I walked out the door and went home. It got worse as he aged. I cried when I got home because I was mad that he could still get to me.

Do not allow Dad to live with you. The AL was not a good fit, either is living with you. Talk to Mom privately. Tell her Dad has to go. You can't take this fighting because it brings up bad memories. She is welcome to stay with you but Dad has to go. This is your retirement and you need peace.

Look up "gray rock method". This is where you literally ignore someone.
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BurntCaregiver Aug 10, 2024
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Your comment resonates with me so much and it breaks my heart. I actually have tears in my eyes reading what you wrote here. My family normalized abuse and cruelty too. I've heard the 'don't let it get to you' and ' they were joking' since I was a little kid. I often went into the bedroom closet to cry when I was a child. If anyone saw tears it would only get worse.

It was only when I met my first husband and his family did I see that cruelty and abuse is not normal. One time I cooked dinner and had my parents over along with my in-laws. My parents' behavior was deplorable. No one was impressed by their sarcasm or snarkiness or by their constant instigating with each other. Not at all. I worked so hard on that dinner too. I went out onto the porch and cried a little. I didn't want anyone to see because I thought that was shameful and acting like a baby.

My MIL came out and in her own combination of Polish and kind of broken English told me it was okay because I had new parents now who loved me. Then she ripped my parents a new one. She was right.

I only disagree with you on one point, JoAnn. The OP should tell both of her parents they're moving out.
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I have said many times that an abused person should NOT care for their abuser.
Your dad is an abuser.
He physically abused your mother.
He financially abused your mom, you and anyone else in the house.
He mentally, and emotionally abused you and anyone else in the household.
You have to find a way to get him out of your house.
You say your mom "took him back" after the divorce. Did she legally remarry him? If not then she is not his spouse. She has no reason to "stick it out". You are not responsible for him.
Evict him.
contact Senior Service Center in your area and see if there is housing for him.
If he is a Veteran see if the local Veterans Assistance Commission or the VA has housing for Veterans at a reduced cost. (there may be a waiting list so get him on a list)
If there is a way to make part of your house into a contained unit and he and your mom remain in the "apartment" that might work, or just him so he is by himself and you do not have to have contact with him.
You are not going to be able to stay centered, focused and sane if he remains in your house.
If there is no way you can evict him out of your house then you have to evict him out of your mind.
Totally ignore him. Just make believe he is not there.
I think the term someone used here is Grey Rock. Look up the method and see if it would work for you
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The mother is an abuser too. Dumping her emotional baggage on her daughter and lashing out at her when she's angry at the father is abuse. She ought to throw her out too.
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It is not your responsibility to make your parents happy . They are going to be miserable wherever they live because being as old as they are stinks . But you did not make them old and you can’t fix old .

They are miserable and taking you down with them . I know all about this . I had a lifelong miserably depressed narcissist of a mother . You can’t make these people happy . I know this because I tried . Your mother made her bed by staying with this man as well .

It is 100 % your right to put your own health and happiness first . This is not fair to you or your husband to live like this . They will not change how they behave and you should not put up with it . Take back your life !

Your parents need to move out . It is doable . Tell your parents this arrangement is not working and they need to go back to assisted living . You can visit once a week if you like and bring them a meal .
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Silvey Aug 12, 2024
Thank you for your responses. AL was not a good fit because I. The 2 facilities they were in, nursing care was poor, food improperly cooked, waiting to be served took 2 hours at times, went though ombudsman and reported the AL to social services and they were found culpable. Was not informed Mom had tested positive for Covid…. Over $10,000 a month just for basic level of care. These AL facilities are dumping grounds for the elderly. I have been touring other facilities, and spoken to the patients. They tell me the same thing I’ve experienced and these are Atria and Eskaton. I could say a lot more. So no “dumping” them in AL is NOT an option.
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Silvey, I want to say, you may not be happy with some of the response, I get it. When I joined 6 months ago , I sure wasn't either, but I was desperately burntout, needed help, and I could feel that people on here truly care, have been there and done that. We try to help people to not make the same mistake we did
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"How do I stay centered and focused on the present?"
By getting both parents the h*ll out of your home is the only answer here.
You should NOT have to tolerate such dysfunctional and awful behavior from either parent.
You say that moving dad away "is not doable" but it's not just dad that needs to move away, it's both your mom and dad, and YES, it is very doable.
You just apparently would rather live in this dysfunction than seek out other living options for them. Why? I haven't a clue.
Perhaps therapy could help you better unpack all that.
You and your husband deserve so much better in your retirement years don't you think?
So start looking today into assisted living facilities preferably not in the same city you're in(I'm just saying)and get them out of your home sooner than later.
I am a firm believer that any child that was abused in any way from either parent, should NEVER take on their care. And yes, my dear, you were abused, and for that I am sorry.
But it's time now to put your big girl pants on and do what you know is right and get both parents out of your home.
You can do it, and will feel so much better when you do.
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Silvey Aug 12, 2024
Thank you for your responses. AL was not a good fit because I. The 2 facilities they were in, nursing care was poor, food improperly cooked, waiting to be served took 2 hours at times, went though ombudsman and reported the AL to social services and they were found culpable. Was not informed Mom had tested positive for Covid…. Over $10,000 a month just for basic level of care. These AL facilities are dumping grounds for the elderly. I have been touring other facilities, and spoken to the patients. They tell me the same thing I’ve experienced and these are Atria and Eskaton. I could say a lot more. So no “dumping” them in AL is NOT an option.
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Also, read the book, Out of the Fog. Your in a fog right now because of being around your childhood disfuction and manipulation.
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Again, Out of the Fog is not a book it's a website:

Outofthefog.website
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"We decided to have my parents move in with us".

You decided they could move in.
You can un-do that decision.
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Silvey Aug 12, 2024
Thank you for your responses. AL was not a good fit because I. The 2 facilities they were in, nursing care was poor, food improperly cooked, waiting to be served took 2 hours at times, went though ombudsman and reported the AL to social services and they were found culpable. Was not informed Mom had tested positive for Covid…. Over $10,000 a month just for basic level of care. These AL facilities are dumping grounds for the elderly. I have been touring other facilities, and spoken to the patients. They tell me the same thing I’ve experienced and these are Atria and Eskaton. I could say a lot more. So no “dumping” them in AL is NOT an option.
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Silvey, children from dysfunctional family's should not do a lot of caregiving, we burn out much quicker. Trust me I know!

It brought back so many bad memories and bad feelings for me.
Assisted living was not a good match?? For your parents, honestly I'm trying really hard to not say anything to strong and chase you away but you have to know I've been where you are. And who cares if your parents fit in AL wasn't a good fit!!! They are manipulating you to take them in. They made there bed. Where they safe there, is the only thing you need to concern with. happiness, that is there problem to figure out.

You are who I care about and what your going through, reliving your childhood over and over. Causes a lot of mental issues, burnout, PTSD , depression,anger.

You absolutely deserve your retirement years, you deserve to not have this constant tension inside of you.

Put your parents back in AL. You deserve PEACE, in your life
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Hothouseflower Aug 10, 2024
Weird thing for me was I thought I had forgiven my mother for abusing me when I was a kid. We actually had a decent relationship until the last five years. I thought she had changed but five years ago I discovered she did not. It was only a social facade. She was still an abusive bully.
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The only place you see happy well adjusted families living together is on the Waltons. LOL

I had a father like that as well minus the nastiness of sarcasm. He had his way of getting his digs into you. Both of my parents played siblings against one another.

This behavior among older married couples was the norm for their generation since women were more dependent on men for their survival back then.

You saw older couples sleeping in separate rooms. That was considered a separation back then. An older therapist told me this. A lot of women wanted space of their own and stopped sharing the marital beds. Some of the men moved out and never came back. Some of them did come back home eventually.

I won't elaborate on the horror stories.

I think you should start shopping around for an assisted living for your parents. This setup is not working for you and your family. You should be enjoying your retirement and not focused on the pain of the past even though bad memories do crop up from time to time. Sometimes I wonder if this mess ever gets resolved in our heads at all. It is very difficult to deal with very selfish people even though they are old. You remember the pain and the heartache you felt.

Dealing with childhood pain and learning to separate it from your adult ego would be the place to start. Easier said than done.
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Thank you for your responses. AL was not a good fit because I. The 2 facilities they were in, nursing care was poor, food improperly cooked, waiting to be served took 2 hours at times, went though ombudsman and reported the AL to social services and they were found culpable. Was not informed Mom had tested positive for Covid…. Over $10,000 a month just for basic level of care. These AL facilities are dumping grounds for the elderly. I have been touring other facilities, and spoken to the patients. They tell me the same thing I’ve experienced and these are Atria and Eskaton. I could say a lot more. So no “dumping” them in AL is NOT an option.
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