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Whitsend,
The two of you are really having a difficult time.
So sorry, more pressure from outsiders (his Mom) is not what the both of you need.

If there is hope for your relationship, hold on tight, try not to see him as the enemy here. Maybe forgive him for speaking the unspeakable to Mom, without thinking of you at the time.

Back off communication with or about Mom. Let time pass. Hug each other.
Those Moms can really wreck havoc to divide a couple. You are a couple, right?
Not the enemy? Stand strong, together. Mom is not moving in, over my dead body, for example.

I hope he gets to come home to you soon. It is not unusual to have this kind of interference from many sources outside of the two of you. Do you get along mostly, otherwise?

If you have to be the gatekeeper of your home, do it. Is he worth it?
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Whitsend,
I missed that he had said this to you:
"I told him that I would have no problem letting her know that I’m not comfortable having her living with us and that I would not become her caretaker if she did and
[***that is what really got him mad, calling me selfish and shallow and saying that I needed to deal with it if it needed to happen it would. ***He said if I cared about him I should care about his mom ***and she was scared and didn’t want to live on her own. ***He tries to make me out to be the bad guy****]
but I know I’m just refusing to be taken advantage of and be used for taking on his responsibility because he doesn’t want to be bothered anymore.

There is no fixing a narcissist, and confronting him just makes the war you are in worse. You are being used, and set up to be used some more.

"Unfortunately, the future is so much like the past and present, only more of it."
This was said to me by my therapist, trying to help me choose better next time after ten years. It is a natural tendency to choose the familiar relationship from your past and repeat it. Unless you can learn and maybe get some therapy.

I think that I have given you all the ideas I could think of. Others have given you some good advice. Breaking the stronghold a narcissist has on you is not an easy thing. I am off to bed, and unfollowing this thread. I was reminded of a whole lot, thanks.

Best to you going forward....
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Sounds like he puts the "boy" in boyfriend.

Get yourself a man.
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Oh my pet hate.. the word *selfish* thrown as a weapon.

".. calling me selfish.."

I know it was said in the heat on the moment, but when things are cooler, see if this makes sense;

When we say NO to someone, they have a choice. To respect & accept that no. Or not.

If they do not, they will continue to push, conjole or twist us into doing as they say. This is manipulation.

To yell, use hurtful words, rage & more - all tools of manipulation. Designed to control the other. To get someone to do as THEY want.

THIS is the selfish behaviour.

As I said before, YOU have the right to say no.
He has NO right to say yes for you. He does not own you.

He wants you to say yes so HE can look like the HERO to his Mother. That is HIS selfish need. He needs to own it.

(Well.. all in my opinion anyway. But I have been called selfish myself for not providing the work for others to claim hero)
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Whitsend2022 Oct 2022
Amen to all of that! Exactly my situation to a “T”
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(((((whit)))) Such a stressful situation. I find myself agreeing that his mother shows narcissistic tendencies. She is irresponsible with her health and her money to then point of hurting herself and then expects her son to rescue her and does all this with no regard for anyone else's needs or feelings. It seems to me that he has been groomed from childhood to take care of her. Of course what harm happens to anyone as a child is not his/her fault, but once we are adults we are responsible for our own behaviours and healing. I hope this time apart is helping both him and you to deal with your emotions and see your priorities better.

You are absolutely right to stick up for your needs. You mentioned your son. I hadn't realized that a child/teen? was part of the picture. All the more reason to keep your home as stress free as possible. He has needs too.
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You can find the nicest way to say all this to her and she will still find it rude because it is not what she wants to hear. Just tell her the facts:

1. You were not consulted about her moving in. Had you been consulted the answer would have been NO.

2. You own half the house. If this move progresses sonny will have to buy you out of half the house. Are either of them capable of doing that?

3. You work from home and need quiet. No matter how quiet she says she will be it will not be quiet enough.

4. No, you do not intend on being her caretaker. Even if she moves to the area sonny needs to work so no one...repeat no one...will be available to take her on errands or appointments during the day.

Telling someone you cannot accommodate them is not rude. Nor is it selfish. Those telling you that are the rude & Selfish ones.
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Just thinking...

I don't think boyfriend is a Narcissist he was raised by a Narcissist. Thats all he knows. Its easier to say yes to Mom than No. Or like my husband and his brothers, easier to just let Mom win. (MIL was passive-aggressive and had a tendecy to lie) If he sees where he is wrong, then he is not Narcissistic. I think he is between a rock and a hard place. He may really agree with you but all those years of conditioning does pop up and she is aging. He needs counselling to
Help him learn that he does not need to deal with Mom. Don't u live like 12hrs away? He lives 12 hrs away for a reason. He probably does not want her living with him either but he just does not know how to handle telling Mom no so he lashes out blaming you. Really, he has been taught what Mom says goes.
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lkdrymom Oct 2022
You are exactly right. He has been conditioned to always give in to his mom. My father was the same way. A 65-year-old man terrified of making his mother mad. There could be hope for him if you help him stand up to her.
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This question is identical to the OP's post, back in February. Almost 200 answers.

NotaslavetoMIL
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My boyfriend wants to move his mom (84) into the house we have just purchased, without my consent. I don’t want to be her caretaker. Advice?
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Question?

Is it your house or both you and your boyfriends home? In the beginning you mentioned "my" house then you went on to say "our" house.

If it's "your" house with your name on the deed, then you get the say. Are you Joint Tenants?

I assume you are living together and not legally married. Who is on the mortgage? You have to check all of these things out even before you proceed with anything?

The more you add to this equation, the more complicated things will get as time goes on. Are you kicking in $$$ for the mortgage?
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Whitsend2022 Oct 2022
It is “our” house, equally owned, both names on title/deed and each of us pay our own bills. It is “my home” too, is what I meant, not just his, I didn’t meant that it is mine alone. I’m not concerned about dividing our property or who owns what, I’m concerned with life altering decisions being made without my knowledge by people who don’t have the right to make those decisions on my behalf. Especially when they affect my life and mental well-being more than either of them combined.
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Just tell him you’re not doing it. Mean it
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Well, after a long discussion with BF about my refusal to live with his mother, here or in her house if he were to suggest it, he finally stated “well what am I supposed to tell her then next time she mentions moving in with us?”  

I said first, tell her you jumped the gun and never discussed any of it with me and you don’t think it’s the best solution to her situation.  That it’s not safe for her here and it’s not fair to put all the responsibility of her living here onto me.  That he will look into finding something more affordable and safer for her needs, either there or here, after they look into what her finances will allow. 

 I told him if she presses the issue he should tell her that I had told him from the beginning of our relationship that I would never move my mother in with us and I expected the same from him because I had “been there done that” temporarily and already knew I could never go through it again.  That he didn’t think about all that is involved, and should she need more assistance in the future, which she will, I was unable to supply that for her and I had my own responsibilities with my own mother and children so it wouldn’t be fair to add his obligations to my mine.  


I hope he can stick to this and atleast tell her the initial, “no mom this isn’t going to work for everyone involved” phrase.  But I have told him that if he can’t, that I’d have to tell her myself and that would not go well for anyone involved because I will be honest about the turmoil this has caused and that her living  here would end our relationship.  I think he heard it this time and is atleast going to find a way to try to convince her it’s not what’s best.  I honestly don’t care if he tells her I flat out refuse to live with her because I don’t want to end up taking care of her when her health deteriorates.   I’m more worried that she will live another 10 years intruding on our way of life and privacy than anything else.   I know she will Insert herself in every conversation, hear every conversation we have without her present because she will sit right outside our bedroom door in the den and I’ll never have a moments peace or second to myself.  

I did tell him that it was his decision to respect my right to say no, that I don’t want to live with his mom and that I would leave if he insisted she live here. I said I wouldn’t sacrifice my mental well being to improve his mothers.  She can live elsewhere and still see him more if she’s lonely, but if he moves her in with us I’m the one who suffers and then our relationship suffers.  She will have to make the compromises because it’s her fault she’s in this mess.  I’m not going to compromise myself to appease someone I don’t know, who doesn’t care if I’m happy or not.  Not for his mom or him.

I’m not making an ultimatum, I’m saying that if my wishes aren’t respected then I have to protect myself and remove myself from the situation.  Hope this doesn’t come up again and he looks into what needs to be done for his mom asap.  He knows where I stand and it’s up to him what happens from here.
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Beatty Oct 2022
Bravo again!

BF asked a question! His thinking has shifted (maybe only a fraction so far) but HAS shifted. From 'This is happening' to 'What am I supposed to tell her?"

You gave him the words, the reasons, the logic, the feelings. Let him take it now & use his own language.

If he gets stuck - he can keep it short. "No Mom that won't work".

One small step for man..
A step out of his FOG.
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Good update. There may be good for him.
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How to explain it? In a brief note left on the kitchen table, which he will only see once you are on the plane out of town!
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Well done, whit. A very good step in the right direction.

He may not be able to convince his mother that it's for the best. She may never agree, but the two of you have to stay firm anyway. I let my narc(issistic) mother know clearly that I would never have her live with me. She didn't like it and threw it in my face a few times, but I didn't budge (or even answer her) because I knew it would have been impossible for me. And, in fact, it was not the best for her either.

Your BF is learning to stand up to his mum - a big thing for him and for both of you. He needs your encouragement and support and your boundaries. I agree that therapy would help him. I have gone for therapy off and on all my life dealing with a narc mother and a narc sister.

Personally I wouldn't focus on blame so much as responsibility.

(((((hugs))))) I know this isn't easy.
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Congrats. He knows where you stand. Hopefully it all works.
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Just a little update… Boyfriend decided to call his mother tonight, since my last post he has gotten a job offer several hours away from here and we plan to move there within the next couple of months. He thought this was a good time to figure out what was going on with his mothers finances. He decided he wanted me to hear the entire conversation so he didn’t have to remember it word for word so he turned up the volume to where I could hear both sides.
Turns out, no surprise, his mother should have more than enough money every month. Boyfriend asked how much her Social Security checks were each month and she matter-of-factly said “oh only $3500.” Boyfriend turned to look at me, his face went gray, and his immediate response was “mom!, what the heck are you spending that much money on that you need $1000 more from me every month?” She didn’t say anything that made any sense, so he asked her if she sold her house how much profit would she make? She said, “oh, should be about 150,000,” like that was nothing big. Boyfriend again, mouth open, stammering to respond, said “mom!, we have got to have a serious conversation about your finances when we have more time and we can get all of your information together and get a better look at it. 
Once boyfriend was off the phone he looked at me and said “35 freaking hundred dollars a month and she’s asking me for money, what the hell?!” It took all I had not to bust out laughing or say I told you so, but I did say, “just as a reference, my mom lives on $1500 a month.” I said her SS is $2500 but she puts $1000 of that in her savings and she almost never uses the full $1500 a month. She has all the same bills your mother does, she doesn’t have a house payment like your mother, and she doesn’t have a car payment, that’s why I was so confused why your mother would need money every month and so much. I know from what he’s told me that his mom worked for 35 to 40 years full-time at a well paying job and she should have much more Social Security than my mom would’ve had, only working 10 years full-time and maybe 5 to 8 part-time.
I said now that you know she is not destitute or in any need of physical or financial assistance other than managing her money, you might want to let her know that if she wants to move to where we’re going next, that we are no longer going to have an extra bedroom and we won’t be getting one in the future because we are going to be saving for our own retirement now.  I added, Maybe if she knows that there is no chance she will ever live with us, she may change her tune and not even want to move to the same town. 
His response took me off guard when he said “oh I don’t wanna live with her either, and if she does move to town, i’ll just have to stop bye and check on her after work and maybe have her over for dinner every other week and make more of an effort to keep her company so she’s not too lonely. No mention of me in anyway doing anything for her!  He said, “damn, she’s got money to have a 24/7 companion from what it sounds like.”  I could tell he was really put off that she had been guilt tripping him, asking him for money when he was out of work and stressing him out for nothing. He even offered to rehome his cats because he knows how disgusting they are and how hard it is to keep the house clean with all of their hair and puke and litter mess and I had told him it would be impossible to try to sell the house in the future with them here and we won’t have room for three cats when we move.
Guess his mom will have to pull her big girl panties up and “deal with it!” You can’t always get what you want, especially when it comes at someone else’s expense. I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see my BF all fired up cause he realizes he’s been dooped and stressed out for no reason, fighting with me over a non existent problem his mom fabricated to manipulate us both. I bit my lip so hard trying to refrain from saying I told you so, I can still feel my teeth marks.
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Whitsend, congratulations on facilitating the opening of your boyfriend's eyes.

So glad he's evolving.
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The only bad part about your update is the part about getting rid of the cats. Sad that people just see pets as things to get rid of when they are no longer convenient or are just to lazy to take care of them properly. But it is what it is and you cant change human behavior. Selfish is as selfish does. Thus the reason shelters are brimming full with animals, especially now with the economy as bad as it is. Not to mention the millions of healthy animals who have the unfortunate fate of being dumped in a kill shelter.
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I am so glad boyfriend called Mom. I will be surprised, unless your boyfriend does all the work, she will ever move out of her house.

My husband and I were just taking about this kind of thing. My MIL and Mom each lived off of about 1700 a month at one time. Would be hard now in this inflation. I don't know why, but I am very protective of my money. Probably because everything we have, we paid for. My Mom was very good with what she received. My MIL, complained but she kept buying cassetts, later CDs. We found VCR tapes she never watched, still in wrappings. She would get involved in those clubs and have no idea how to stop them. Those figurine clubs. She did not need that stuff. And each club is about $20 a month. Same with Readers digest books and magazines. We never gave her any money unless it was for Christmas or her Birthday. If she had said she was not making her bills, I would have said "stop buying that junk". If my Mom asked for money, I know she needed it and that would be after she tried to cut corners.

Yep, boyfriend needs to sit down with Mom and find out where her money goes. First thing I would have done before I gave any MIL/FIL money.
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Rehoming his cats is not likely. What you’re talking about is sending three cats to the pound, where they’re probably going to be euthanized; i.e., killed. I’ve never had a hard time selling a house when I owned a cat. So that’s a specious argument.
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MargaretMcKen Oct 2022
There are many of us who would like a quick painless death, like euthanasia for these cats. My mother would have preferred it to dying of cancer.
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A giant step forward!

The 'magic' of communication has not solved or disoved MIL's problems - BUT - has opened BF's eyes & ears.
Has uncovered facts. New conversations can be built on these new facts (rather than the tall tales MIL led with).
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The differences in attitude and thinking between you and your boyfriend are the problem.
When he shows you who he is, believe him.

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"I would not become her caretaker if she did (move in) and that is what really got him *mad*, calling me selfish and shallow and saying that I needed to deal with it if it needed to happen it would. He said if I cared about him I should care about his mom and she was scared and didn’t want to live on her own. He try’s to make me out to be the bad guy but I know I’m just refusing to be taken advantage of and be used for taking on his responsibility because he doesn’t want to be bothered anymore. "

Do not sell (cash out) your home to move for his latest job.
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Rehoming means finding another home that will take care of his two cats that he has refused to take care of the past 2 years. A real home with permanent owners. My cat will go no where, I take care of her and his cats now and he agreed that if they didn’t get along when he first moved in, which they don’t, that he would find them another home. Not a pound, kill shelter or to be euthanized. I have volunteered for several rehoming organizations the past 15 years and fostered many cats and kittens in my day. I would never send them to a kill shelter. His cats attack my cat everytime they are together on the same floor and it stresses her out to the point she has lost a noticeable amount the past 2 years and they have started peeing on furniture from the territory dispute. There is no hiding cat pee when showing a house.

They don’t get the love and attention here that they deserve or the care from their owner. They will stay until we find them homes, sorry to upset everyone with that tid bit of info. I was just happy to finally get the ok to find them a better home where my cat doesn’t have to keep getting attacked everyday and I don’t have to separate them and let them in and out of the litter rooms and up and down the stairs all the time. 3 litter boxes and two litter rooms in a 1800sqft house is too much. Even scooping twice a day and constantly changing and cleaning litter boxes, it’s too much and too many cats for a small space.
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sp19690 Oct 2022
Thats good to know. But honestly with your seeming love of animals and fostering/rescue experience I dont understand how you can be with someone who knowingly neglects his two cats. I also dont understand why you allowed your own cat to be terrorized by these two cats for the past two years. It makes no sense to me.
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Get out. Now.
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