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yes go and find out what is going on. if she remembers all of you and not billie jo it may be her way of communicating to that she needs help. that help may only be that she doesn't understand the reversal of roles with her daughter and she wants her little girl back.
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Sheri6185 Aug 2021
My Mom's having a rough time picking out the correct words to say . Do you think speech Therapy wpold help my Mom ?
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You cant correct, convince, teach, or explain anything to an Alzheimer's patient. My mother with Alzheimer's goes back and forth with this type of thing. Sometimes I'm her daughter Kristy, sometimes I'm the "other" Kristy and sometimes I'm that nice girl. One night I was standing there and she looked in my room and said, "Do you think Kristy is in there?" I said, "I don't know, let's go look." I have also started calling her Mary, instead of Mom. This helps ME keep perspective. I realize it is shocking and sad at the beginning, but try to get used to it and learn to play along with her. Billie Joe could just say, "I'm someone who loves you." This is a very hard situation and you have my deepest sympathy. This forum has been my lifeline through all of this. God bless.
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SusanHeart Aug 2021
Thank you Burnout for the post, you provided me another solution for me and my dad. My dad has good days and bad days all driven bu the use of the cpap machine. On good days he knows me, remember my name and know who I am, on bad days I am a stranger that works at his AL or something similar.

tou have provided me options on how to handle bad days. Thank you
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Seems like everyone's situation is different. Some dementia folks are nice and others with paranoia are not.

My father is so confused but you would think it is the absolute God's truth that I am the most awful person in the world. He is so convinced what he says about me it is scary.

It is amazing to think of what happens to a person with dementia. There really are no good days.

Medicine has kept our hearts going only failing to know how to keep our minds working.
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You can't get past it, you can't convince her. You have to agree with her-- "join her journey". Her brain is altered and you cannot un-alter it. Be prepared, it may get worse or keep changing. Be prepared for more changes.

You can tell her that this is 'the other Billie Jo', or you can come up with another name. You can't make sense with someone whose brain is deteriorating.

When she calls to discuss it, agree with her. Just say, "I know!", and then, "how is the other Billie Jo?"

It's all very strange and it doesn't make sense to YOU because she is confused. Maybe pretend she is now an alien from outer space and you are learning her language.
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JennyMat: Imho, towards the end of my late sister in law's life (who had Alzheimer's), she also verbalized similar things - calling two of her sisters, 'her cousins' and even going as far as asking her husband, ' have you met my cousins, (referring to them by name)?' You may not be able to correct nor convince your mother that Billie Jo is in fact her daughter since her brain is broken.
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It sounds like your mom has some form of dementia, and it is in a moderate stage. This is a common issue. When someone has Alzheimer's (the most common form of demenita), they first lose what they learned later in life. This is why a person with Alzheimer's will remember their wedding day but not the name of a grandchild. It is also why many women with Alzheimer's at this stage will carry around a baby thinking it's their child.

One thing you can try is to show your mom a picture of your sister when she was about 10 years younger and see if she knows who she is. If not, go back another 10 years, and if she then recognizes her, keep going back until she recognizes her. This will let you know how far her dementia has progressed and where she is. It will also help you better understand what she is going through.

This is harder on the family at this stage than it is for the person with dementia. Remember this; you did not cause your mom to have this horrible disease. You and your sister are not at fault! The best way to help your mom is to become a powerful advocate for her.

Cheryl J. Wilson, M.S.
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Juse agree with her, your sister knows who her parents are. Please join NAMI support group, this will not be the last thing to upset any of you. Dementia is no fun and they don't understand just agree with her and love her as she is.
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Please make sure it is not a reaction to her medications, or something like a U.A. as they can cause trouble like this sometimes.

God bless and know you are not alone. When it gets to much, trust in the Lord, for He is always with you. Be very specific in your prayer requests. He will answer that request and give you so much more. Believe!
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Yep- dad did that to me for awhile- but I ignored it and he just stop one day- I was super upset at first but I knew not to react that much- I would tell him- I’m the good Debi
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Here's another thing Billy Jo and also you siblings can do. Billy Jo can pull out the bank checkbook register and go over it with mama. She can discuss it matter of factly at times, "I want to see how many times we ate at (her favorite places) and how she likes this or that plate, or a memorable person. We had Daniel, a real big guy, who always come to say hi while on the job. If she can write, if possible, let her write down the register items that she can even if you have to help her. This is part of sharing with your mom her last days, which are all a treasure. Ask her to talk about grandma and grandpa, how much you miss them. Pull out the photo albums. Indeed, put pictures of them in the rooms, and her sisters and brothers. You can tell her you talked to Uncle Eddie, that's "your brother Edwin" if she looks confused why you said Eddie. Watch what she calls her siblings and use those terms. If they lived on a farm, talk about it. Get to know the history what the did, and then you can use that to share with the rest of the family because that is genealogical work that ties families and extended families together.

Record your mom when she is having a blast, whether singing, reminiscing, chatting with you. Play it back for her what a wonderful time we all had, or "you and I had" or "mama, that was so much fun". Give up using the pronoun you and always use mama, mommie, mom to reinforce who she is to you. Mom I love this song you sing, turn it on, and don't wait for her to say or think, I'm not your mom. Tape your brother and sister when they come over and point out reminders, like "Mama, we were planning your birthday party. Want to listen? We surprised you at the restaurant, today with some over. Leave the birthday party items up with her name on there. If you have a room, put your name on the door and her name on her door. Mama's kitchen. Billy Jo's bedroom. Billy Jo's Study. Use your mom's first name or favorite name. If her family used a nickname for her, use that every day because when you talk about things from her past, which she will likely remember a ton of, it's comforting to her and if she thinks you are her sister or brother, if you have to, be the sister. If you follow my guidance about Tylenol as a brain anti-inflammatory assuming her liver is in good condition like my mom's was, she shouldn't worsen and she should improve.

I can give you a list of very good herbal supplements for the brain that will help her. You can mix them in some applesauce. I would do that every day, fix her a small bowl with one each pills of galantamine, vinpocetine, NMN, PQQ, Lecithin GNC pill is fine, Phosaphtidyl Serine, 5-HTP, put some lecithin granules in the applesauce maybe a teaspoon or so, vitamin D 10,000 units, vitamin E, for CBD cannabidiol I used two things, either CBD acetate powder from a reputable source or Charlotte's Web hemp flower with CBD in it no THC or very low THC. The 0.3% THC hemp will have at least 1 molecule of THC, which Dr. Mechoulam says worked wonders with children with epilepsy, using one molecule of it, which is the smallest amount of THC to take. Anything less is not THC. I hope you understand.

Inflammation is the biggest problem in every disease and condition. If you can stop or significantly dampen inflammation of the brain, her brain will heal itself. We don't usually think of the brain healing itself. Consider a person bumps their head and gets a slight concussion; well, that's a brusing of the brain. The brain will heal that just like it does if you bump your arm and bruise it. Make notes of your mom's behavior on a calendar. When she begins to say something she hasn't said in a long time, or suprises you with something good in her actions, note it with a star. Tell her when she's done well. You got a star mom, that's the first time in 5 years you did that, said that, talked about that. Acknowledge it to her. Enhance her life 'in the moment'. With repetition it will go into long term mem.
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If you are in Texas, I will consider to come for a visit. I will have to isolate for two weeks before I do, and I take no remuneration. I sing country music, or can learn her favorite folk song. To help enhance her mood and put her at ease. A new person in the house, if they are stuffy, she's going to notice that. You can't overplay it, you can't underplay. And honestly, we all are that way.

There are many subtle things we do that we aren't totally aware of, that work to assure a parent in this situation. In some places smoking grass is legal, and a caregiver at home may think it's okay to do so. But know that when your mood changes from it, while you may like the feeling, you are not going to respond the same way. Try as you might, you will think you are acting like you always do, but she's going to notice you are not yourself, that something is different. And when she gets concerned or you get concerned that she may be getting out of that flowing relationship you were in all morning and afternoon, but now it's evening and she's giving you a look like, That's not how RichCapableSon acts, or Billy Jo acts. If you need cannabis for a medical condition, try to do it right before you sleep, so it won't involve your caregiving and buddying up with your mom. Our moods affect our thinking and that affects our actions. Look to see if she acts up a little or a lot, whenever you use a prescription drug, whenever you drink a beer or wine, or after you have that second glass or bottle. There are a hundred different components of the brain. She may remember if the doctor popped her back for her, but he was too harsh, or she didn't realize the chiropractor's bed would collapse how they do to assist the adjustment. You may say she does'nt remember more than the moment, but next week at the followup she says, Are you going to hurt me like you did last time? Different parts of the brain WILL remember. I have seen it. I have seen doctors drop their jaw at it and say to the side, How did she remember that? Well, she remembered enough to tell the whole office waiting room on her way out, each person, He hurt me. he's no good. I'm never coming back. My mom was 91 when she did that. 2013. She was supposed to be dead according to her gerontologist by 2009.

I tested her on each of the health food, nootropics, I gave her, one at a time. I only made one adjustment, one new pill on top of her stable diet. That way if there is an improvement, you don't have to guess was it which one of three new pills I gave her at the same time! I told her we were going to make a mix of all these ingredients for others, and put it on the market. You can do that. There's a core you could start with. Nothing to stop you from trying it yourself, too. It's her mind that has a problem, not the rest of her body, basically. If she liked health food supplements, no need to stop because her mind needs help. These are all GRAS healthfoods. Generally Recognized As Safe. But learn about them first. You should love what you find out. Galantamine is used with Aricept. Thats how good it is. Vinpocetine can lower blood pressure. Tylenol and all NSAIDs raise blood pressure. Don't stuff her with vitamins. You can give the blend twice a day rather than all at once. If she often refuses her Namenda capsules, you can pour them on that blend. She will never know and you will have no struggle to convince her hours at a time. And don't forget to give her 1/2 a Tylenol every twelve hours. No more than 335 milligrams a day. That worked miralces for my mom. She quit repeatedly yelling at me to bring her a glass of water. They can get thirsty even when they are drinking a lot of water. It could happen when they lay on their back. If they will turn on their side, right or left, their juices will shift and begin to flow and the dryness in their mouth will leave. But if they ask for water, always give it to them. You can ask, Mom, is your mouth dry, baby? Note if she says yes or no.
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RichCapableSon Aug 2021
When you get her water and bring it to her, ask her to shift to lay sideways, so she can hold the drink, for instance, and when she does move to lay on her side, ask her if she still feels thirsty in her mouth or throat. Don't make her think you won't give her the water. You want it to be separate from that. Ask her before you get the water if she has a dry mouth or a dry throat, and explain "We don't want you to get that thirsty. Dr. So and so says if we wait till we feel thirsty, we waited too long to have a drink of water." Then tell her you are getting the water, describe it as you pour it what you are doing so she's at ease. Hey, when you are really dry in the throat, you can use the comfort and consolation that your daughter or caregiver has just made that her #1 priority.

You can make her life normal again. Talking about the past is normal. It also puts you in their longterm memory when you talk about their past with them. I gave a ton of things to help. If you have any questions after you have digested all of these posts from me, jot them down and then PM me. Or ask me openly if you think you want others here to know, see, hear, learn too. But I suggest to keep some things private, and other things you can share publicly. Ciao. See you later. keep the faith. You can get over this hump and even whittle it down. There are many puzzles you have solved in caregiving; there will be many more. Believe in yourself and believe in her. And let your faith come alive, too. Most of all.
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While it wouldn't hurt to check for a UTI, it's likely just part of the progression of dementia. Usually sudden changes in behavior herald the possibility of a UTI - this sounds more like just memory loss/drifting back in time.

That said, I agree with most of the responses. Go with the flow. It is hard on those of us who are "forgotten", but we know who we are and what we do. None of you will be able to change your mother's mindset about Billie Jo. It will only be upsetting to her and to you to continue trying.

As my2cents suggested, have Billie Jo call her by phone and see if she recognizes the voice. How often do the other siblings visit mom? Does she still recognize you all by sight, or just by phone? Age makes a difference too. If she is the youngest, she may have already dropped off the radar as far as memories go. All the more reason not to force the issue.

While it may be different causes behind this, more than likely it is because she is drifting back in time. Initially short term memory loss often happens, so anything new or recent isn't retained and repetition happens. This alone can be contentious, as WE know what was said or done, but they can't recall it. Over time more and more long term memories are lost as well. If you read enough postings on this site, there are a number of those who insist on "going home" when they are still living in their home, sometimes for many many years. Home is no longer THAT home, it is some home in the past, even a childhood home.

My mother took me by surprise one day. Nine months after moving to MC, she was still asking YB to take her back to her condo of 25 years. Out of the blue, she asked me if I could drop her off at her mother's on my way home - her mother had been gone 40+ years. After getting past that by suggesting we do it tomorrow, she asked if I had a key to the place in X, you know, on Y road (X was the town, Y was the road.) They had owned that for many years, so it fell into that 40 years ago range. Sometime later she asked about a younger sister, also gone. Her statement when I said I hadn't heard from her recently was that she's probably tied up with THAT baby (her emphasis.) That baby was my cousin's severely disabled child, also just about 40 yo at that time.

By asking the right questions, we can often figure out WHEN in life a LO is living. Had she survived longer (taken out by strokes), I suspect the regression would have continued, putting her further back in time, quite possibly leading to her forgetting who I was also. To back up my thoughts about this, she clearly still knew who I was, as I would have been an adult 40 years ago - younger certainly, but still recognizable and visited often enough. She had a very vague recollection that I had kids, but being about 40 yo, she wouldn't know them as adults, in her mind they were still kids. YB's daughters are much younger and she had no clue who they were when I was doing Xmas cards with her. By sight, even before the move to MC, she thought my daughter was some cousin of hers.

It's different for each person, but clearly trying to convince her that Billie Jo is her daughter isn't working. It would be best to find a "persona" that mom will accept and go with that. Perhaps if you have photos from the past, she can show them to mom and ask about Billie Jo. I suspect mom will know the little one, not the adult one. The same may be true for you siblings. It all depends on "when" your mother is living and your ages.
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Id say, well I'm sorry but daughter or not we are here to take care of you. Some just don't get it and never will. Just remember it's their brain not working right. Just over look it and do what you have to do and don't take it to heart.
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My mom used to think that I was a nurse, a man, or the "other Andrea."

There is nothing you can tell her to change her mind.

Just let her know that your sister is a nice friend who cares for her.
And, give your sister plenty of support, as it is very difficult to have your mother not recognize you.
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