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patient found out ( secretly) the nursing home didn't pay the storage bill. She was not notified of the situation & has not received a formal notice from the administration...She is waiting to see if they will tell her... What can she do ?
Sorry for the typos in my last post, I must rewrite it
Yes, this is definitely stealing! The nursing home defaulted on storage fees, causing patients to lose their belongings. Therefore, it's their fault and not the fault of the patients or their families. The nursing home should be held liable and replace everything each patient lost. You may want to hire an elder law lawyer who specializes in this area.
If this storage belongs to the nursing home, why are they charging extra for using their storage if the nursing home actually owns it? Something definitely stinks here because it sounds to me like the nursing home may actually be short on money. It's there for the residents of the nursing home, and it should be free for the price they pay to stay there.
There are supposed to be grants for places like this (you would think). Maybe the nursing home did something wrong and the funding was cut for all we know. This is just something to consider because it can happen. If this is the case, I'm surprised they're still open. If their funding was cut for some reason, this would give way for dishonesty such as this. This is why you're most likely need a lawyer in your particular case.
Yes, this is definitely stealing your person home defaulted on storage fees, causing patients to lose their belongings. Let nursing home should be held liable and replace everything each patient lost. You may want to hire an elder law lawyer who specializes in this area. If this storage belongs to the nursing home, why are they charging extra for something that should be included if they actually own it? Something definitely stinks here! It's there for the residents of the nursing home, and it should be free for the price they pay to stay there.
Island, the secrecy you're describing about a routine admin task is nuts, and makes me suspect that the problem with paying the storage rental was the result of poor communication - my guess is that the question of who would physically pay the bill got overlooked, so it wasn't done, so the contractor who manages the storage units has followed standard procedure and changed the lock because, not unreasonably, they won't release the contents until they get paid. No?
Why is everyone creeping around like this? It seems ridiculous. What could possibly be shady, what possible ulterior motives could anyone have about it?
If it was your sister who discussed the question of putting your mother's possessions in there, then your sister should call or drop in and *ask* what to do about paying the rental. I hope I'm not being obtuse, but why is that not really obvious?
Island, does your sister have a POA or someone looking out for her? First, how reliable is this person who told her about the storage unit, can she be sure it is even true? If the nursing home did default on payment of the storage units then I can understand why they might try to keep it a secret, they must be having a financial crisis and are trying to cover their a**es. If it was common for residents to store items there I expect this will have happened to other residents as well. Someone (POA?) needs to arrange a meeting with management to get to the bottom of this and arrange for disclosure and compensation if necessary.
I guess I should have explained it better... The nursing home had a storage unit for the Nursing Home & talked my sister into putting her things in there.. So, they didn't pay the bill & the storage company changed the lock...Someone told her in secret & was told not to say anything to anyone else.. She's afraid to say anything & hasn't gotten an official notice yet from the administration... She isn't trying to fool herself as she knows she will never leave the nursing home & how can they dispose of her things in storage to pay for her care without her knowledge....Isn't that stealing?
It is not up to the nursing home to pay her storage bill, or any other bills she may have off site. If she has a guardian or POA it would be up to them to administer her finances. If she was not willing to grant POA to anyone then she should have been paying her own bills. I suspect woman is fooling herself by believing she can one day leave the nursing home. The reality probably is that she will not, and her things have been disposed of in order to pay for her care.
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
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APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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Yes, this is definitely stealing! The nursing home defaulted on storage fees, causing patients to lose their belongings. Therefore, it's their fault and not the fault of the patients or their families. The nursing home should be held liable and replace everything each patient lost. You may want to hire an elder law lawyer who specializes in this area.
If this storage belongs to the nursing home, why are they charging extra for using their storage if the nursing home actually owns it? Something definitely stinks here because it sounds to me like the nursing home may actually be short on money. It's there for the residents of the nursing home, and it should be free for the price they pay to stay there.
There are supposed to be grants for places like this (you would think). Maybe the nursing home did something wrong and the funding was cut for all we know. This is just something to consider because it can happen. If this is the case, I'm surprised they're still open. If their funding was cut for some reason, this would give way for dishonesty such as this. This is why you're most likely need a lawyer in your particular case.
Why is everyone creeping around like this? It seems ridiculous. What could possibly be shady, what possible ulterior motives could anyone have about it?
If it was your sister who discussed the question of putting your mother's possessions in there, then your sister should call or drop in and *ask* what to do about paying the rental. I hope I'm not being obtuse, but why is that not really obvious?
If the nursing home did default on payment of the storage units then I can understand why they might try to keep it a secret, they must be having a financial crisis and are trying to cover their a**es. If it was common for residents to store items there I expect this will have happened to other residents as well. Someone (POA?) needs to arrange a meeting with management to get to the bottom of this and arrange for disclosure and compensation if necessary.
She isn't trying to fool herself as she knows she will never leave the nursing home & how can they dispose of her things in storage to pay for her care without her knowledge....Isn't that stealing?
I suspect woman is fooling herself by believing she can one day leave the nursing home. The reality probably is that she will not, and her things have been disposed of in order to pay for her care.