Paying thousands for one month of nursing home care. Any advice on average monthly cost?

Yes the cost is outrageous and you are overpaying but that is how our system works. It wants all your money and you to be broke before they will help.

elisny, prisons? Dumping? Try not to paint all nursing homes and senior facilities with the same brush. In my area, we have over a dozen of senior facilities/nursing homes to choose from, and from what I have seen and heard, they are excellent.

My Mom was in one of the nursing home as it now took a village to care for her. My Dad choose a very nice senior facility and he was happy as a clam there, and had wished he would have moved sooner. Both were in their late 90's, and I was a senior citizen myself.

When it comes to our parent's health conditions, we need to be on top of things. I know it can be difficult if one doesn't live in the same area. Thus, we cannot blame a nursing home if a new resident comes in with an issue that is not on paper, and not readily noticeable to the staff. Especially if the resident has Alzheimer's/Dementia.

I agree....In my case my mother is in an assisted living facility. They are all a racket. I also know that no matter how expensive they may be per month, many of them are still run on a shoe string budget.

I would try to let the guilt go if unable to go 'every day' (wow, that is a lot) Maybe you could carve out a period of time a few times a week if that works better. It doesn't have to be the same days per week. Establish those boundaries for yourself.

OP hasn't been back, but I'm still wondering why she feels SHE is being taken to the cleaner. Mom should be paying, and when her money runs out, Medicaid pays.

You Mom would have to pay thousands these days, just for renting an apartment, with no additional services. Nursing home care requires skilled staff and 24/7 care. It's expensive no matter where you go. If your mother runs out of money, she can go on Medicaid, which pays for nursing home care. If she has the money, remember that it's her money, and that it's a good use of her money for her to be in a quality nursing home. Visit as often as you can, but please don't feel guilty if you can't visit every day. She is in a nursing home to get good care, and you also are entitled to get breaks from caregiving. Don't let yourself get burned out. Also take care of your own health and life.

If a person has money they should be paying for their care that's what it's for - not inheritances and leave the government and taxpayers holding the bag when it isn't necessary. Yes, the government wastes money but that's no reason for an individual to abuse Medicaid.

I've been in the nursing home and now I'm at home with aides. Home is more expensive and a lot more problems. I may make the decision to back into facility care.

First let me say venting is good and I know that’s all you were really intending here. Still debate about NH fees aside, there are a couple of things that struck me in your post. First is that it sounds as though you are personally paying for these expenses not Mom. It may just be the way it came across of course and you are paying out of Moms account but if indeed you are personally paying for anything out of your personal funds, don’t do that.

Second “her 6 week prognosis has turned into 5 months and counting” was that prognosis that she would pass or was it that she would be well enough to go back to her previous living situation? Was she placed there for rehab or for comfort care? I ask because the methods of paying for these things differs. If she was sent there for rehab by a hospital or physician Medicare and any supplemental she has should have been picking up the bill for at least the first couple of months providing she was still meeting goals (improving) if not there should have been a discussion about options. If she was placed for comfort care because her life expectancy wasn’t more than 6 weeks you should have been offered Hospice which helps with some of the expenses and the option to stay or go home, maybe even go to a Hospice facility, which is not to say that staying right where she is would be a bad decision but that might open the door for more financial support. Again all based on her income and assets not yours!

As far as feeling guilty if you don’t visit every day, did you visit or see her every day before she went into this facility? If so was that because she needed the care and or checking in on? I totally understand both the desire and need to be there daily at first as she is settling in, especially after an emergency or major illness that has you in emergency mode for any period of time. If indeed the “six week prognosis” was that she would pass, worried it’s going to be any day of course qualifies. Adjustment is really for both of you and from my perspective wanting to be there as much as possible before she passes is as much for you as for her, maybe even more for you. Whatever the original reason you have now moved into a diffrent phase, she is safe and being cared for by professionals, she has not passed or been discharged in the original 6 weeks and there is no real reason for any one person to visit every day anymore, in fact it may not be best for her either depending on her current health issues. Falling into a different pattern, maybe where other people are visiting also and aiming for one visit a day and or getting her involved in activities there at the NH, whatever her “normal” has been most of her life (social butterfly or recluse). Getting back to some semblance of “normal” wether that means seeing her once or twice a week and speaking to her on the phone once or twice a week or something else seems like the best thing for everyone as well as the hardest to me. Most of us, I think, picture passing quietly in our sleep not in a facility somewhere with family around watching us suffer and or die. I have often heard accounts and read them here as well of LO’s who pass as soon as the people that have been parked at their bedside finally go home to sleep, shower or change and wether it’s because the LO is holding on until they leave to spare them, because the LO just doesn’t want anyone to be around or the window can’t open for their spirit to pass through while loved ones are around, it’s not an uncommon thread. I tend to believe that absent an accident the same reasons that we want to simply pass in our sleep are the reasons something in us chooses to pass physically alone and those that know, feel they are loved and not alone are the ones that are surrounded by as much “normalcy” as possible and knowing the people they love aren’t putting aside their lives by visiting when they can out of love not guilt or responsibility. Sounds like your guilt may be fear and letting go benefits both

I have seen costs here in responses of $6000 to $10,000 dollars for long-term nursing care (that is NOT assisted living). The average cost in my area is $12,500.
I kept my parents in their home as long as I could manage to do so. When caregiving begins to seriously affect your physical and mental health, you must consider other options. Upon researching the options available and consulting with physicians and elder care lawyers, long-term care was the best option for me.
There were programs (before COVID) through the county and neighborhood churches who could lend assistance. Once COVID hit, fear of transmission to my senior parents (88 and 96) was no longer an option. Siblings and other family members were not close enough to help.
One point needs to be made regarding Medicare/Medicaid. Most times Medicare only pays for 30 days of care, medical insurance does not cover long-term care, and the myth that assets have to be expended to a level of $2000 before an individual can qualify for Medicaid is a myth (I discovered this myth from Elder Care lawyers -- worth every penny they charge). The $10,000 to $12,000 (estimated cost) paid to long-term care would have been paid by LONG TERM CARE INSURANCE, if that investment had been made years before (and it was not cheap even then).
In your research check out the Medicare Care Comparison website: (www.medicare.gov/care-compare). This site will give you a report card of facilities near you or the location you are investigating.
The state and federal governments (Medicaid and Medicare) are the ones who will attempt recover costs after your family member passes, not the facility.
SO ..... Vent all you want, it can be healthy, but do your due diligence and investigate ALL options and the cost of ALL options regarding the care of your loved one. You must take care of you before you can take care of your loved one..

Around the Seattle area, I don't know about the nursing homes, but adult family homes start at about $7-8,000 (the low end and thus- you get what you pay for) to the top dollar of $23,000/mo. When I was seeking a place for my mother, (back in 2021), was advised that a 'good' nursing home would run about $13-18,000 a month. I ended up having her placed in a middle of the range afh that was $12,000/mo (and wished I had the finances to place her in a more expensive one where her care would have been far better).

As others mentioned, there are other costs involved besides the immediate ones you see - utilities, taxes, insurance ( a biggie), building interior and exterior maintenance, equipment, laundry, etc etc. All these add up and have to be paid to stay in business.

If you visit every day, you have a first-hand view of exactly how many of her needs are neglected in this setting. I doubt she's even getting 4 hours of care per day, and probably a total of 10 minutes of simple personal interaction or attention. But you still need time off! Can someone else visit sometimes? In the end, you have to do what you will feel least guilty about later when she's gone, but within reason for your own health and well-being.

The tv helps pass the time.

Yes ALF and nursing care are exorbitant. In Maryland they said my mom‘s care would be $6200 to $7000 a month, she is independent she still dresses herself. She will be 89 next month and she still showers on her own and gets her breakfast and lunch although she needs to have help with a hot stove. Ridiculous, it was sort of a bait and switch they said she could get in the door for $2300 as an independent person. It’s just too expensive.

Due diligence in searching for your options is required to make the correct decisions. Assisted Living or Memory Care? There is a difference. Consult an elder law attorney to get the correct responses you need to apply for Medicaid if that is an option but if you don't ask you won't know. You also have to make sure the facilities you are touring or reviewing may or may not honor a Medicaid Spend down.

I reviewed some of the advice that was written for your case and there are a lot of opinions that need to be backed up by hard facts in the content so just be very careful and believe in what the professionals advise .You definitively need to get the facts to make smart choices.

Good Luck as this is a complicated and tedious process.

1) is your mom in Skilled Nursing or Assisted Living?
2) if skilled nursing until her assets are gone will Medicaid kick, so the large monthly pay out
3) if Assisted Living, you need to do more research into the options in your area.
Note: Assisted Living as well as skilled nursing facilities are generally owned by corporations which need to make a profit.
Each facility has their own rates per month per and if that corporation has facilities in different states and even counties the rates will vary. You really need to do your homework and know what the state and county allow for care as well as knowing what each facility offers with amenities. Tv with 10 channels sounds like a master antenna rather than cable or direct tv.

Juloo63: Welcome to the forum! Facility care can be expensive and it is worth it, considering the facility's expenses, but please know that your mother is financially responsible for her own care. You didn't indicate wo is "paying thousands a month."

We paid $4500 a month for mom and it was pretty reasonable for central Ohio based on my research. What I liked was the 24/7 supervision, socialization, meals, laundry, housekeeping etc. work out what it would cost to have someone in her home for 24/7 care and you will see what a deal it is!

I did forget to say in my prior response when I looked at home care 4 hrs a day in Virginia ....it was about $3000 a month and that did not factor in mom can not be left alone when I grocery shop or have time for myself. We decided this $4655 monthly cost was in my best interest to preserve whats left of my back {5 herniated discs, 3 bulging}. At 71 this job full time would be overwhelming. Moms a healthy 89. Now days some elderly live to 100.

I am late to the party here, but wanted to add two things from our own experience. First, my MIL is in an independent living home. No care is offered, but there are three meals daily, an on-site and expensive hair salon, and then the usual bus service a couple days a week. She pays about $4,200 monthly for a two-bedroom. We saw in the want ads a few weeks ago an advertisement for a new lead chef there for dinner service. It paid between $10-$12 an hour!! Significantly less than just abou ANY other jobs around here. They cannot keep any staff. They do not pay. The company is opening these all around this part of the country. It is nothing but a money funnel for the investors.

second, about 30 years ago my own mother found a wonderful small assisted living arrangement in northern Ohio. A couple of nurses had purchased an old manor home, renovated it, outfitted it for elders, and had about 12 residents at a time. It was wonderful. But then the regulations started. I won’t go into detail, but they closed down after some years because there were ALWAYS new irrational and oppressive rules, constant checks on their facility—far beyond what would be usual and certainly far beyond what made sense. There is really no question that they were run out of business on purpose. They were developing a model for an affordable, basic, safe alternative to the big homes. And were not allowed to do so.

There is big money in older people for these homes. They intend to keep it that way.

My 95 yo mother has lived with me for the past 5 years and will continue until the end of her life.

Having said that, I have called a couple of nursing homes to inquire about what they offer. The one where I would probably have placed my mother is a small Christian, independent facility on 15 groomed acres that has 50 independent and 30 assisted living residents. They charge flat fees and a private room is $6000/month which includes meals, snacks, etc. etc. They have more staff than the state requires and of course a waiting list.

They don't accept Medicaid or other government funding so when the money runs out, the resident has to relocate to another facility.

The costs that I pay to keep my mother in my home are approximately $1800/month which is what I pay 3 different sitters to give me a break - (sitters aren't cheap either) but that least this way she will not run out of money.

In my home, she gets the very best of care. I cook all of her meals, shower and dress her, keep her hearing aids working, change her clothes every day, keep her skin in excellent shape, etc. I make sure she gets enough fluids and keep a watch on her BMs. She gets weekly physical therapy. We play music and sing in the afternoons a lot and she gets to have interactions with the 4 different ladies who come in for a few hours on different days when I'm out. I don't have to visit anywhere and when she's napping during the day, I can go outside and do whatever.

So either way you go, there is a cost. I'm very tired much of the time depending on how many times she gets up at night. I have lost most of my independence and can't leave my home until one of the sitters is here. Often, I am envious of anyone who doesn't have to be pinned down to the care of an elder, but it's a choice that I have had thrust upon me and I've made the best decision that I can.

IMO there is no right or wrong. As long as our elder LO is properly cared for, it matters little where they are or who is doing the caring...just that they are properly cared for.

When it comes to building anything on a large scale, it takes investors to get the ball rolling. And their money can be tired up for a couple of years or more. Therefore they wish for a financial benefit for using their money. Otherwise, nothing would be built. That is how your house was built if you live in a subdivision..... hospitals.... shopping centers... etc.

Yes, nursing homes and senior facilities are expensive. Even if such places slashed their prices in half, guess what would happen. Staff would be laid off. Remodeling would be pushed back. Lower quality of food would be used, then..... Their doors would be closed forever.

Then what?

Remember how expensive it was raising children, sending them off to college. Well double or triple that cost for elders. Elders needs more than just one doctor, they need a dozen. A child learns how to do things on their own. An elder stops knowing how to do things on their own [yes, it can vary]. Remember baby proofing? Well, one has to elder proof, as elder fall. The list goes on and on.

You are paying people to take care of you mom 24/7. If you don’t feel like the care is up to par, go to the Medicare website where you’ll find how nursing homes are rated. Maybe you’ll find one that’s worth it to you. You’re not just paying for her care, you’re paying for the coordination of care, emergency training and all the rest. Consult an elder law attorney if you are concerned about the finances.

It’s very difficult when someone is expected to die soon and then they rally and hang in there. You’re prepared, and then it’s prolonged. Not knowing how this will play out is very draining. My brother was in a SNF due to brain cancer. He became unresponsive and hospice called me to come—I live over 1500 miles away. We sat around his bed waiting. Then he rallied and lived another three months. It’s definitely limbo land. No one wants to say it, but when is this gonna end? Then the money becomes the target of your frustration. There should be someone to talk with at hospice. Good luck.

It can cost up to $105,000/ year and more for a skilled nursing home. My mother’s first 6 months in one in NY cost over $44,000 but thankfully her Medicaid transition from in-home care to institutional care came through. A good resource for looking up average care costs of different types in many different US cities is the 2021 Genworth Cost of Care Survey. https://www.genworth.com/aging-and-you/finances/cost-of-care.html
Just type in your city or state to compare costs.

Just want to say, the OP has not responded to any replies.

My mom was in a board and care facility it ran about $3,000 per month. I think they had about 12 beds. She was totally bed bound and she had dementia. She could not walk or stand. She could not feed herself. Prior to placing her in this facility the manager of the facility visited her at home and evaluated her. The fee was based on her needs and services she required.

Prior to that (due to complicated Trust, banking and covid issues) we had her at home with 24/7 care. She was paying $18,000 per month until she ran out of funds and I was paying from my savings.

We had a different 24/7 home care coming when mom was still a little mobile. They refused to come back after it was discovered she had a MASSIVE bed bug infestation. They were a little cheaper than the second agency we hired but not much. Plus I think one of the employees from this agency used my moms address to qualify for a free cell phone.

In the both cases we really could not get her to the doctor because she couldn’t walk or stand. In each situation every time she sneezed or coughed or some small rash, etc (not really emergency room issues) they would call us and say she needs a doctor but hello I don’t have a vehicle that I could get her hospital bed in. In addition to that there is no room in the doctor office for a hospital bed and no place to clean her up if she was soiled. After much fighting with Kaiser I finally got a visiting nurse from Kaiser to come to the board and care to check on her and they called 911 if she needed transport to hospital. She passed away in October 2021. The whole dementia care journey was very difficult .

Good luck. I hope I didn’t ramble to much.