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Your Mom needs to be in a "secure" (aka locked unit for wanderers). Unfortunately sometimes those units have a high percentage of dementia residents so you may have to compromise. All SNFs do not have secured units but there are some that do (many NJ counties had them until they decided to get out of the healthcare business). If your Mom is over 65 check in to see if you can get a listing of facilities from your local Office on Aging. Then start to call them and find out if they have secured units for people who are in need of custodial care. Of course also ask if they accept Medicaid because she may need that level of care in the future.
I worked at a SNF that had resident's wear bracelets that would set off an alarm if they went within 2 feet of the front door. Even with that, the receptionist (who was really the only person in the front lobby) would have a hard time catching a wanderer if she was in the middle of answering the phone, updating the resident roster, accepting laundry for a new resident, guiding the ambulance transport staff who were bringing in a new resident..... you get the idea. Of course that was an expensive system to install but luckily it had been done when the facility was originally built. There might be something that is easier for them to use now that technology has evolved. Would not hurt to suggest it to the facility.
Good luck in your quest
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Sighopinion: I did see your update of nine hours ago further down this thread wherein they ran blood work and urine test for your mother. Prayers and love sent.
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Another night, and another morning of seeing a bunch of missed calls. Before I left last night the social worker told me they are going to try to get her more home care and housing. I told them that is fine but it has to be 24 hour care. I will be giving up any of my time. The social worker has a contact at visiting nurses services. I already tried to get her more hours through her LTC it was a wash, so idk exactly how they plan to do it but as I told them. If they can get those hours great, but if it comes at the price of me having to watch her for a few hours and if I don't I run the risk of her leaving her apartment or leaving the stove on or something then I have to go look for her using her apple watch. I rather she be placed it is far more safer.

I did request maybe they transfer her to a larger hospital they may have more resources aviabile to them. They tried to get me to take her to a different one. I told them you will not get me to discharge my mom. You guys could provide transport and also could inform exactly why she had to be transported.

Either way I provided her with some entertainment and something she can do with the nursing staff if she is forced to sit at the nursing station. I know they dislike me, especially because one was talking about how they care for their mom. Which is lovely, I have also seen it here. I wish I could do half of what some posters here do, but I just do not have it in me. This would be easier for all parties if I was more of a team player.
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CTTN55 Mar 2022
" Before I left last night the social worker told me they are going to try to get her more home care and housing. I told them that is fine but it has to be 24 hour care. I will be giving up any of my time. The social worker has a contact at visiting nurses services. I already tried to get her more hours through her LTC it was a wash, so idk exactly how they plan to do it but as I told them. If they can get those hours great, but if it comes at the price of me having to watch her for a few hours and if I don't I run the risk of her leaving her apartment or leaving the stove on or something then I have to go look for her using her apple watch. I rather she be placed it is far more safer."

Well, this will be interesting to see what they come up with, yes? I bet it still will require your participation in your care. Continue to stand strong! Just think how many would have given in to their bullying (because that is what it is)!

Keep us updated -- you are inspirational!
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What happens if she goes out?

This is a difficult one. Your mother is not a prisoner. If she wants to go out, she should be able to go out. The job of the facility is to provide somewhere for her to do that safely.

It is also a fundamental principle of restrictions on liberty that they must be as little restrictive as possible and proportionate to the risk they are addressing. Drugging your mother into a stupor because they can't put a keypad on the door or don't have enough staff ready to head residents off at the pass would score them nul points in that respect.

They must know the local/regional market better than any resident's relative possibly could - so, where are the dementia care facilities for people who aren't incredibly rich? What would they recommend?

In any case, they can't just pack her belongings and stick her outside. Stand firm.
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Sorry Sighopinion, I missed your update- but anyway I repeat "stand firm."

Don't you dare blame you for this! Team player be dammed.
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I needed 24/7 home care for a loved one as well and eventually found out that it's not available in my area unless she could private pay. I mention this because I want you to be careful if someone promises you 24/7 home care. Scrutinize anything you are told because people may eventually start telling you they are arranging something that just coincidentally perfectly coincides with what you're asking for and isn't that great! Once your mom is discharged to a plan you believe to be in place, she is your responsibility. In my case, the "plan" fell apart quickly and I honestly don't think there was a strong plan to begin with. It was presented to me as an airtight way to get LO home and it did seem OK at time of discharge or I would never have agreed to it. Once she is home, she is YOURS to deal with. I'd hate it for you to have caregivers not show up and you have to cover that time at the last minute, caregivers not work out and you have to cover THAT time, or find out the hard way that home care isn't truly appropriate at all (this is what happened to me). Trust me, it's very hard to get someone from their home into a facility - regardless of need. I really feel like the "system" that's supposed to help really pushed back on me. And all those people who planned this discharge for you? They will not call you back and you are alone. It really sounds to me like the hosp needs to help you place her - they do have contacts and information that you do not have. Please be careful with this.
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mstrbill Mar 2022
Completely agree with everything you said. You need to play hardball (but in a passive way so to speak) with these people. Sigh cannot cave in or else she will be absolutely stuck.
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You probably have to change facilities that are able to meet her needs. Is this a nursing home or assisted living facility? Because usually in a nursing home, it’s not so easy to escape. When my mother was in the nursing home , I remember a resident who didn’t sit still for a minute & they had a bracelet around her ankle. She walked the hallway all day & night. Also, your mother can get meds to calm down? Hugs 🤗
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Not visiting today but had a video conference with the supervising case manger, attending neuro, attending psych, and attending general doctor. Was more or less an conversation as to what they cannot do. They kept telling me how she does not have a medical reason to be in the hospital.

Why exactly is dementia not considered a medical reason? I kept asking but they never gave an answer. It appears they submitted her PIR or PRI to many different facilities and she was rejected. They asked if I would be willing to stay with her in the hospital so they can document positive change.

I kindly told them that was not possible. They also tried to tell me they would help me even it I took her home temporarily. Just as a poster told me they would try. I also kindly rejected that offer.

One point that gets me is many posters have painted thus hyper willingness to administer drugs. I have told them if they need to use stronger medications to relax her I am all for it. I wonder why they are being so careful with medications with my mom. Are they afraid because she is still able to articulate herself. At this point they are making her and their life harder.

I have brought up locked down facilities, but it appears she has been refused since she has already escaped from one lock down facilities. To my knowledge no facility is able to lock someone in their room and she is still mindful of her surroundings. It appears a nurse put in the code for eating area they had. She went in and took some cake because they were talking about it and she wanted some.
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mstrbill Mar 2022
You need to tell them she wouldn't be safe in your home because you do not have the ability to watch her 24/7. It is not possible, and it is not safe for her or your household. Maybe they should contact the state's elder protection department. There must be a locked down SNF somewhere, even if they have to extend the radius to find one.
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Just curious - Is your Mom in a skilled nursing facility (SNF) or at a hospital? And why was she sent to hospital and/or SNF. Sounds like she was living alone in an apartment prior to this.
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You will need to start looking for a NH in the are that can handle dementia and escaping. It may be further away from where she is now, but they do exist. If they start any more conversations about forcing her out, be sure to ask them for the paperwork to appeal their decision. Put the request in writing via email. While waiting on the paperwork - contact the Ombudsman's office in that area and ask for help.

You are correct in not believing they will do one single thing to help you if you take her home. Won't happen. (Curious about what kind of help they said they would provide...???)
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It sounds to me like she is in a regular hospital, not a nursing home. She can't stay there forever. They need to assign her a social worker that can fast-track her being placed in a nursing home that has a locked floor for patients like your mom. There is a facility like that near our home. When my stepdad was alive, he spent some time there recovering from a hospital stay. One day, while visiting him, I asked about how they handle the patients with dementia and they told me about the locked floor. Hospitals are not able to give ongoing, indefinite care if the patient is only a wandering risk.
I understand not having her live with you or pay for her care. I am in the same boat. When mom gets to the place that she cannot live alone anymore, she WILL NOT live with us and we cannot pay for her care. I do know that in order for her to be placed so Medicare will pay for an allotted time, she has to be admitted to the hospital for an "incident" (fall, UTI, stroke whatever) for 3 days, then a placement will be found for her.
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