What are the stages of congestive heart failure?

Research Dr John McDougall and Dr Caldwell Esselstyn - both physicians who have done a lot about heart disease. Dr Esselstyn (he's at the Cleveland Clinic, a world-renowned hospital) has a book, Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease that is stellar. Both physicians are proponents of a whole foods, plant-based diet, i.e. no animal products at all. Also lots of greens, which help the endothelial cells that line our arteries. And no oil in anything. The low-fat approach clears out veins and arteries, making your heart more efficient. So go to the library and do some reading, You can really help yourself!

Blannie, that's good information; I'm copying it to check it out for myself. It's unusual that doctors recommend a whole foods, plant based diet - in my experience, most of them first think "prescription meds."

These two sound like my kind of doctors!

I'm curious also about the "no oil" recommendation. I assume that includes olive oil? So many organic gardeners use this in their own cooking, and they're generally very focused on their health as well - no pesticides, no GMO foods, and as few commercially grown and processed foods as possible.

"...3 tablespoons of flax seed meal..."

That's seen me off Dr. Esselstyn's website all right.

I prefer Michael Pollan's pithier: "eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."

CM, most of my gardening friends add flax seeds (or I suppose they could use the flax seed meal) to their baked goods. I'm lazy; I take flax seed oil. It's too hot to bake.

Bear with me while I indulge in narrow-minded prejudice for a second, but if I felt in need of flax seed oil I could always gnaw on some window putty. Doesn't the smell alone put you off?! I can't bear the stuff :P

I can't handle flax oil either Churchmouse. I grind flax seeds in my coffee grinder (I don't like coffee, so I use it for everything else). It's nutty and tastes good to me! Any kind of oil (including flax oil and olive oil) is a very processed food, adding a lot of calories and lacking nutrition. So both Esselstyn and McDougall caution people to stay away from them. Olives are ok (in moderation) as a whole food. But no oils at all - if you have heart disease.

Go to Dr McDougall's website and check out his plethora of free information. And check out Rip Esselstyn, Dr Esselstyn's hot son. He was a firefighter in Austin, TX who got his whole firehouse to go vegan. He's a triathlete and very easy on the eyes. :)

CM, I haven't noticed any odor with the capsules. Although others have suggested using the seeds in various ways in foods, I'm too lazy at this time of year to consider that. By the time winter rolls around, I'm thinking more of baking things that are pure indulgence.

I wasn't aware that they had an unpleasant odor. Maybe if enough chocolate was added it would compensate?

My friend, 84, has CHF and has lost the ability to walk. Will he get it back? He is in the hospital now, on rehab, which he says he hates.

CHF would not of itself cause your friend to lose his ability to walk. A stroke, though, could affect both motor skills and balance: do you know what put your friend in hospital?

I just stumbled onto this site tonight... and have been reading one after another! I want to say thank you for sooo many useful answers. Many more than I got from my dads drs!!! Am dealing with my 85 yr old dad who also has CHS & rental failure. He has his reg. Family dr who I question about many things thru the yrs he's done with nit just my dad but my mom! (Same age but she is 1 1/2 yrs into Alzheimer's). But his heart Dr who he had to change to after his of yrs retired! He really got short end of stick there!!! And now his kidney Dr who is very smart & kind. But if your given a broken pc of equipment you can't do much with glue.... it's still broken!!!
I have to say I was taken with the person that was dealing with their dad & his drinking & Dr not telling him ...NO!!! Thus struck home for me.

I don't know much about these stages but as I've watched my moms dementia worsen to where we are now... I've also watched my dad worsen over the last 1 1/2 yrs. ... esp last 12 mos. to where he is now! I believe as in Alzheimer's there is stages in CHF!!!! Thus is bad (sh*t). But it all goes back to my dads life style one I am trying to correct for myself... but I know that if they'd pos eaten a better diet & also his drinking... his quality of life would be much better at thus stage of life!

That said... my story really begins with myself & my brother. Both married wth grown children & I wth 5 grand babies! I have kept them all most every day till our last started to pre school this yr & Kindergarden & 1 st , 3rd & 7th!!! My parents were pretty well off I thought as my dad always had $2-$6,000 cash in his pockets most all the time! This was a joke!!! It was my moms money from her parents rent houses! Thus is another story but @ 2015 my brother condensed mom to file for a divorce. I knew had mentioned it a time or two that this was the only way mom could get control of her inheritance money & her rent house money but I didn't think this was wise! Mom was too old to go thru a freaking divorce! I was in the middle of finishing our ranch taxes fir the yr as well as my mother in law was dieing of a leek in her heart vaulted! She and the family knew she was dieing!!! Thus was a very hard time fir me back in April of that yr! My husbands parents were trying to get their things in order with his 2 sisters & do wills & trusts as well as tend to her sister whom was in an Alzhimer home at the time! This was a very hard yr with helping her do taxes & me completed get ours! We run over 150- 200 head of cows, hay bus & quarter horses. I had to finish my business then I felt I could get on top of what my dad was up to! We felt (Cash & Stashing). So... brother proceeded with mom taking her away from my dad April 16th the day after I finished & got our taxes & in laws finances straight!!!! I was left to pick up the pieces of my dads life as he had known it...being the boss of everything in his life even down to the foods that were bought & money spent out of his acts!!! Many!!!! Non of which were his!!! His health cont to worsen as that yr went along. But as a court date would come up... 4 or 5 times now... mom would fall out very ill & be hospitalized & get her home & 2 days later dad would get sick! We gave had to cancel court so many times it's funny now!!! But .. the week before Thanksgiving Daddy goes to my brothers house where mom was living at the time... now her Alzheimer's had gotten a hit worse but her nerves were her real problem!!! Dad was harassing her with lies @ things she had done in their part... all lies... but we couldn't catch him!!! She would tell us later.... but on that day dad ask if he could take her for dinner & talk & my brother let her go. Dad kept mom like two school kids..... none of the lawyers came to Ck on her or discuss with her if this was what she wanted!!! So with him taking her back... I stepped in &?made it clear... her health is much worse & she was not the same as 7 mos ago... she could no longer cook, clean, bathe or do dishes or laundry & she would get even worse!!!! And... I expected him to take care of her & treat her with dignity as she didn't have a clue what my brother had done!!! She had been brain washed by him to give her property away to him & signed over her power of medical & attny to my brother.
So now from Thanksgiving 2015 to June 2017 they have been together at home with both in failing health!!! Dad not giving up to go to a nursing home but I refusing for him to send her!!! He took her back so she would be taken care of! She worked after we graduated school & put up 3xs the amt needed to her retirement plan as well as what she draws from Medicare! She has money to pay for her care!!! Dad would tell me that if something happened to him that he could live off of what she drew???!!!! Nope... should have put your own money up!!! This was hers & I be d*mned if she wold leave this place stuck in a nursing home & my brother claim it!!! She has it & I am spending it on a sitter during the early part of the day! Dad has gotten worse with his fluid build up & gout in his foot so last week I hired her sister who sits to come in the evenings & help thru the night! I've had dad at ER 3 xs this week since last Friday & a Drs apt which he goes back next Tues. He is so close to being on dyalisis & really needs it rt now! So cost per hr for a sitter to me to tend to the both of them is much better than paying a fee fir nursing home fir two!!! And Mom is footing this bill out of her money!!! So he gets itvanyways!!! Lol.

I am cooking and taking foods every other day & Ms. Sandra or Ms. Ruby cook the other times. But dads end really seems to be closer than even a month ago!!! Ready fir Heart & Kidney Drs to get on the same page!!!! One adds mess & the other stops it!!! Then the PA or ER Drs think they know more on emergency calls & pulls all meds esp if on weekends... till they can run tests!!!! We livec60 miles from dads Drs & weekends get bad sometimes & weather has been bad sometimes... so I've gotten him hervat home!!! Won't happen again!!! Anyways... I've rattled enough... but this chf with rental failure is so hard for the caregivers esp when your by yourself! I want my bro & him to say they are sorry with each other but dad won't!!! He won't even let mom see her sister & family!!! But I can't let my bro take her away from her home rt now with her Alzheimer's. She is safe & secure in her home! I feel quilty but in my heart I know I'm rt to keep her at home. Time will work its self out with both of them I know!

Moms sisters daughter lost her husband a yr ago & list her 38 yr old son last Thurs. we had his funeral this Weds. I finally got to go & visit with her family. I did tell them how she was & that daddy was getting worse. I had a good cry with my cousin Dennis who holds priesthood in the church.... He & my uncle Saudi prayer fir me & my brother that things would be with Gods timeing!!!! I feel so much better. But my journey isn't over yet! I know it's only going to get worse in the next few months if not weeks if that with my dad. I will just have to deal with my mom when I have to!!!

I'm really confused about the CHF stages too....because the dr.says mom's Heart can improve..but this is mom's 2nd serious spell with CHF ..& I'M so very worried ! When I watch her try to do PT she's so breathless and week is unbelievable the SLIGHTEST movement is exhaustive to mom, she quickly becomes Breathless,& exhausted I'm so sad & worried...no Dr. Has ever given us a stage number for CHF after I researched I learned ....I'll ask Dr. On Monday and get back to you

I too would be interested in the stages of CHF! As far as I can see there is:
1. Doing OK and managing as long as I keep taking the meds
2. Preparing to pop my clogs.
End of story.
There are so many factors that effect the progression of CHF, not least of which is the mindset of the patient. Even with a strong desire to follow Drs orders, take all the meds and make life style changes the disease will eventually kill you.

Lorraine of course your mother's condition is very worrying for you but she is trying to keep herself strong. Of course she should continue with the PT but maybe using some oxygen would help her and give her permission to rest when she feels she has had enough. The object of PT is to improve strength so the patient can function for as long as possible not to push them to exhaustion at every session.
I am in the middle of 30 sessions of PT mainly because of weakness, a broken hip and side effects from necessary medications. It is hard and does make me breathless and my joints get exhausted. However 5 minutes on the bike may turn into 2 1/2 minutes, rest then finish the five.
Watch what the PT is doing and if you feel Mom will do better by doing her exercises in a different order and taking longer breaks don't be afraid to speak up. heart failure does cause breathlessness because the heart just is not strong enough to carry the freshly oxygenated blood round the body and muscles with no fuel soon get tired.

Depending on the cause of Mom's heart failue Mom could indeed improve. When you are home alone with Mom help her do the exercises. For example if she has to do leg raises give her legs some support and she will gradually get strong enough to do it on her own.
Above all don't expect miracle or a fast recovery or even any improvement. Accept wht you are dealing with and encourage but don't bully. Everything takes at least twice as long as we get older.
I recovered from a hip replacement at 68 within a few weeks now into recovering ten years later for the other hip and at six months the progress is very slow
I think of myself as an old washing machine, sometimes i refuse to start, other times i stop in mid cycle and occasionaly leak

My grandma has been diagnosed with CHF but it is being maintained. She broke her ankle last year around the holidays and was in a rehab facility. She got a terrible cold while there and they refused to treat colds saying she was rehabing from an ankle not a cold. The cold turned into pneumonia which turned into CHF (She was also taken off her normal CHF preventive pills and singular to prevent pneumonia) which is probably why all of it happened. Anyway point is, the pneumonia was treated as was the underlining cold. I adminstered a nubilizer to her three times a day in hopes of clearing out something, she was on three pneumonia drugs as well as put back on her normal CHF pills. It cleared up and now she only has minor swelling in her one leg. It is being 'managed' or so the doctor called it that. I think CHF is more of a condition requiring intervention and if the intervention can help it be maintained. I think this is why there is no actual staging. It's not like cancer that spreads or like dementia that spreads. It is something that affects a heart valve and things can be done to encourage the heart to correct itself.

I found the heart and stroke foundation of canada helpful. I used the heart failure zone chart.

www.heartandstroke.ca/heart/conditions/heart-failure

There are 4 stages of CHF. You can read about it on the NIH sites or other sites.