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My brother and SIL divorced after 38 years of marriage. It was a friendly divorce as well as I could see; they continued to live in the house for about a year as my brother worked on emptying it and doing repairs to get it ready to sell. They had one child who was grown and they split all the money right down the center. They only had one divorce attorney. My former SIL then basically cut communications with my entire side of the family while several of her sisters and nieces remained FB friends and causal communications with me. I asked them occasionally if my former SIL was doing okay. I still considered her family but if she didn't want communications/contact, then I respected that even if I didn't understand it.


Then she contacted covid and was discovered in her apartment unresponsive and lying in a bed covered with vomit. After several weeks, she was released to rehab while still somewhat confused at times. At times, she didn't remember she was divorced or that her daughter was working in a nearby town. She didn't score too well on the mini-eval either. The doctors are not sure at this point if the mental confusion is temporary or permanent. She may have been oxygen deprived enough during covid to have some lasting effects.


Shortly after she entered rehab, a nephew shows up and decides to care for her at his home, gets her to check herself out of rehab, and moves her into his house. Nephew decides daughter doesn't need to visit and my SIL does not need all the medication she has been prescribed (daughter objected to him deciding what medicine her mother needed). The daughter calls APS who determines SIL is being neglected and financially abused and places her back in rehab. A caseworker arrives at my door with documents provided by her attorney. It seems at the time of her divorce, she had the lawyer create POA and end-of-life directive documents naming me as her POA (both durable and healthcare). She didn't talk to me about it but left a document stating I was younger than she and my brother and she didn't want her daughter forced to make decisions if they were truly needed. APS was offering to support a court ordered temporary guardianship in my favor. I reluctantly accepted and now I'm a guardian again. With a family that is glad and mad as a hornet that I am! Did I mention my SIL is one of 14 children? She is one of the younger ones and a few had already died, but they have children.


All I have done is pay her apartment rent for the conclusion of the lease and demand all her stuff be returned to the apartment. If she recovers, she will have her home to return to. If she is not able to return to the apartment, then we will clean it out then (or maybe her daughter will choose to take over the lease). The big stink is over her jewelry. My brother and SIL had good jobs for over a decade before their child was born and she loved gold chains. She (and my brother) purchased several heavy gold chains (expensive in the 80s and now _very_ expensive). Some of the family says SIL gave them the chains, but some of the family disagrees. In any case, I can prove they were removed while SIL was in the hospital and I stated if they were not returned I would pursue criminal charges.


I have started arrangements for her to enter the AL/MC I had chosen for my mother if SIL cannot live independently after rehab. APS restricted the nephew and his wife they found guilty of neglect and financial abuse from visiting SIL. The daughter is "glad" I am the guardian - so she doesn't need to have her relatives mad at _her_. SIL seems to be doing fine and getting better. Maybe this won't last long... in six months the judge will review the guardianship; ending it, extending it, or making it permanent. In a way, it seems easier (emotionally) than caring for my parents. But then one of her relatives calls to tell me what care she needs or to cuss me out...

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Wow--this is a new one!

Sounds like you had zero idea you were her representative. I personally would ASK my POA to do the job (which I actually have done, so this kind of thing cannot happen).

You're an angel to take this on. I am glad you have good feelings between you and former SIL.

You're doing all the 'right' things and with grace and obvious care. If family calls for updates, that;s one thing. if they're calling to cuss you out, reming them you DID NOT ask for this, you are doing your best and if they can't be helpful, they can stop calling.

As far as the 'disappearance' of her jewelry--if they don't cough it up, maybe contact the police? If SIL did not write down her desires of where she wanted these to go, that's basically theft. Or maybe ask your brother to handle this. Or let it go.

Anyway--you're an angel, really. I wish you the best!
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rovana Nov 2021
I don't see how someone who has accepted what is basically fiduciary responsibility can let this go. The will leaves assets to daughter and unless the "family thieves" can actually prove they were gifts freely made by SIL, then it should be treated as theft and the police notified. I don't believe a guardian would be allowed to "forgive" this kind of thing.
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Anything that's missing from her house is stolen. She hasn't been competent to give anything away, nor is she dead, so nothing has been "left" to anyone. Pursue charges now if you have the stomach for it. You'd have to prove that she didn't give them away, though, and that they were there before she got sick. In short, she'd have to be able to testify to all that.

You may not like to hear this, but it's good that SIL gave you POA, because perhaps she understood that those big decisions would be too upsetting for her daughter. I remember taking an estate planning class in which the instructor strongly suggested giving POA to someone who is a bit detached emotionally from the person giving it. His mother couldn't make the decision to remove life support from his dad for a full three weeks after he suffered a devastating stroke. The mother of one of my friends spent $750,000 on futile medical care for her dad because she couldn't let him go.

It sounds like your SIL recognized you as having a level head in a crisis, and judging by the actions of the nephew, it's obvious what she thought of her 13 siblings and their kids.
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TNtechie Nov 2021
SIL posted some photos to FB just a few days before she became ill that showed some visiting friends in her apartment so some of the things (like microwave, washer/drying, etc) are all shown in the photos. She wore two of the chains a niece says she was given a month before. She has a will that leaves everything to her daughter - and another surprise - names me as executor!
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Bless you for being willing to advocate and step into this mess. Sounds like she truly needs a wise person helping in this time. Don’t be willing to be cussed out or take any abuse, hang up the second it starts. Wishing you both peace and calm.
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The main reason I accepted this "job" was the medication. SIL has a-fib and some anxiety/depression problems. It took years to get her depression meds adjusted just right and she's at a high risk of a stroke if she doesn't take the a-fib meds. There's a _wild_ range of attitudes in her family, some of them don't believe she really needs the depression meds, some don't believe she should be taking a blood thinner, etc. I believe the doctor has the best advice although he/she should be able to tell you why a certain medication is needed and what other options are available, then you choose your best option. I'm continuing the meds she was taking when she got sick, with a couple of additions the doctors want post-covid. She getting better so they appear to be working.
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Daughterof1930 Nov 2021
Opinions are like butts, everyone has one and most of them stink. I’m glad you’re following medical advice
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I honestly can't think of anything to offer at this point, w/o thinking over the whole situation more.  But I do know from your posts here that you're an exceptionally insightful, caring, fair, competent and resourceful person.   It's unfortunate that the family aren't together on how to go forward, but from what I've read here over the years, that's not unusual.

I do think though that you're the ideal person for management of this situation, and carrying out steps needed for the benefit of your SIL. 

It's easy to advise not to let the naysayers and intervenors affect your judgment, or even harass, meddle and interfere to pursue their own goals.   But through reading your threads and posts, I know you're the person to rise above this. 

I do wish you peace, solace, and plenty of down time to continue with the help that your SIL needs to recover.
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You most definitely should visit the probate court in your former SIL's town and have yourself removed from being her POA. You never agreed to it to begin with. You should certainly not be it for a woman who cut you out of her life when she got divorced and wanted nothing to do with you after that.
As for the gold chains. Divide them up equally among their children. If the kids can't agree, sell them and divide the money between them (with your cut subtracted of course. Why should you have to do the work to sell them for nothing?).
Also, your brother needs to step up and get his kids in line about their mother's care and whatever property they have. That is his responsibility. Not yours.
Please stop letting these people walk all over you because that is what they're doing.
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JoAnn29 Nov 2021
"She has a will that leaves everything to her daughter - and another surprise - names me as executor!"

Seems no other family member is in the Will. All the stuff taken needs to be returned. It was theft. Don't u just love families.
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Bless you Techie, you are a wonderful person for taking this on!
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In agreement with GA: "I do know from your posts here that you're an exceptionally insightful, caring, fair, competent and resourceful person."

In agreement with CWillie: "Bless you Techie, you are a wonderful person for taking this on!"
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At times, I think I must be a glutton for punishment. Then I think my SIL deserves a break. She is stronger than she thinks, but life has dealt her some very unfair blows. Her father abandoned his family when she was 14, moving just down the road with a "girlfriend" and didn't even visit her in the hospital when she had a ruptured appendix. He became an alcoholic and died of alcohol poisoning when she was 16. She went to work so a twin brother could finish high school because it was "so much more important for a boy". The twin became a drug addict in his 40s and messed his life up. I think depression problems (and self-medication) might run in the family, although she considers the anxiety/depression problems she developed after a back injury as a "weakness" and not an illness. I don't understand some of her choices, but I know she is a good person and deserves the best possible care. I think I can make better decisions than some of her siblings and weather the storms those decisions may set off; apparently, she did too. I was 17 when she married my brother, so she knew my faults when she made her choice and signed the documents.
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Good thing the guardianship we be looked at later. I give u a lot of credit taking this all on. I had Moms POA and I have my nephews. At 72, thats all I want. Executor one time, that was enough. But that is something you could turn over to a lawyer.

I pray that SIL recovers to return to her home. It does get me when family thinks they are entitled and the person isn't even gone yet.

POAs need to change, though. No one should be assigned unless they sign off that they except it. The person assigned needs to then be told what their responsibilities are. Also, if the assigned person uses any of the principles money for their own gain, they can be brought up on charges.
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TNtechie, you're a '"rock of Gibraltar" for your family. They're so fortunate to have someone like you.
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You are certainly stepping up, far and above what anyone could expect, for your former SIL and friend. You are doing exactly what she wanted you to do but allowing too much participation I think. From my perspective the only opinion I would weigh or want if I were in your shoes is her daughters. She chose you to speak for her perhaps if there is another relative you know she was particularly close to you might give their thoughts weight but really the only one who has a right to input is her daughter. You may know the family but your right it’s much easier when you aren’t tiptoeing around your own family to politely shut out the noise.

You could send weekly updates or something to everyone if your feeling generous but ignore demands, opinions and fits that you haven’t solicited. Maybe this is why your SIL wanted you to be in charge rather than her daughter, she didn’t want to place her daughter in the position of dealing with the emotions of having her mother I’ll and the “well meaning” relatives, she knew you could protect her daughter, do right by both of them and deal with her relatives.
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Former SIL is home in her apartment with a 24/7 attendant paid for by LTC insurance. I have discovered she has fallen in her apartment about 8 times in the last year; two falls have resulted in hospital stays so I'm trying to talk her into moving into AL. I know she may continue to fall in AL but at least she won't go hours or days before someone notices.

SIL's mental confusion is clearing but I do not believe she will be able to live alone safely again. She wasn't really safe before she became ill. SIL views AL as being friendless; she does not want to move away from the friends she has made in the apartment community. There's a good AL three miles from my home and an easy six miles from her current apartment, centralized in the community she had always lived in and easy for her family to visit. I'm thinking about doing something heavy-handed during the guardianship. I'm about to sign an agreement with the AL for a two-month respite care stay with an option to continue living in the AL and moving her there in mid-January. The daughter and an RN niece that has been checking/caring for SIL agree she needs AL but cannot get her to agree. I think that if she was part of the community for a bit she would enjoy it. There's bus service to the local senior centers and shopping malls and grocery service for your kitchenette supplies if you don't want to join others in the dining room, as well as daily activities and trips. Tuesday and Thursdays there is a group trip to a local restaurant for lunch. My cousin enjoyed living there but she was in her 80s and the average resident age is 78. SIL is 69 with vfib, mobility challenges, and some emotional issues, mostly depression. Her daughter is 30 and just getting her life started.

I guess my plan is to move her into AL while I have guardianship and can make the decision and hope she decides she wants to stay. She can afford a one-bedroom with a good-sized sitting room which includes a kitchenette. I'm planning to move her bedroom intact and her lift recliner and hide-a-bed couch into the sitting room. Her daughter and niece will help her hang photos and retrieve other things from her apartment as she requests. The attendant will stay with her in AL for a week. I hope having her things and the attendant will preclude any cognitive decline from the move. Her apartment lease ends in May, a month before the guardianship is reviewed. I want to have her things in a storage area near the LTC by then. Her LTC insurance will cover the AL costs for nearly 3 years; she has funds to provide for another 4-6 years; the AL will keep her on Medicaid in the same apartment afterward.

My brother, her former husband, thinks SIL will eventually like the AL and might even speak to me again someday. I'm really uncomfortable making such a decision for someone else but even if SIL becomes capable of living alone again I believe it would only be for a short while. This AL is really run like an apartment complex with benefits, like housekeeping and medication management. Even during the worst covid isolation, they kept the dining room going in shifts with social distancing. They set up a visiting room with glass panes and a good mic-speaker system to meet the state's isolation requirements for visitors during the shutdown and continue to make it available. I hope she will be happy there and decide to stay even if/when the guardianship ends. My biggest decision will come when I let the lease on the apartment go in May. I probably will, but I would really like her agreement. None of the other choices prevent SIL from putting her life back like it was before I got involved but letting her apartment go will leave her with nowhere to easily return home.
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My SIL is in the AL and liking it a lot more than she thought she would. Her daughter spends the weekends with her on the sofa bed and her siblings and neices are visiting her during the week. She has told me she probably needs to be here, at least for a while, and made a mistake picking her apartment (steps to enter, small bath, etc). She told me to pack and release the apartment and I can find her a better one (for a senior) when she leaves the AL.

I think she became afraid to stay by herself in her apartment and that's why she wanted an attendant there 24/7. In the AL, the biggest complaint so far is an attendant entering her apartment at night to check on her. My niece tells me they do not disturb her sleep when she stays so she thinks this is just the idea of someone entering the apartment when her mother is sleeping. If I sign the liability waivers, the AL will allow me to decrease or eliminate the night time checkups. I'm not sure that would be the right move or just create more anxiety for SIL. I have decreased the check on her timeframe to every 4 hours (someone puts eyes on SIL every 4 hours) and we will see how that goes...
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TNTechie, first, I applaud you for supporting your SIL over this period of time. I think of the Mother Ginger scene from the Nutcracker when I read of your extensive assistance to your family.

Second, addressing only your most recent post, as to the liability waivers, my very personal opinion is not to release or waive anything relating to liability. Are the nightime checks disturbing to SIL? If not, then I think they're actually helpful, reflecting concern on the part of the staff.

I'm sure you're aware that if liability is waived, it can't be restored other than through an agreement.

Do you yourself feel waiver is appropriate? If you were in your SIL's condition, would you want that potential liability waived?

Unfortunately, potential liability has expanded so much that waivers of liabiity are included in so many unnecessary situations; it's almost an epidemic of ordinary people having to waive liability rights just to get information. I understand the massive CYA attitude, but sometimes companies go overboard.

Taking care of someone else doesn't fall in that category though.
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TNtechie Feb 2022
Its a limited waiver covering any additional injury she may sustain because of a treatment delay from the time of the injury till it is discovered. The original entry contract states she will be observed at least every two hours, I would be asking them to increase the timespan to 4 or 8 hours during the night.

I'm conflicted because on the one hand I understand not wanting someone entering your apartment while you are sleeping. On the other hand, she wanted someone else in her apartment 24/7, I think because she was afraid to be alone.

My niece wants someone checking on her every 2 hours at this point and I tend to agree so I going to leave things alone for now. If SIL continues to improve I'm going to go with her wishes at the end of March.

In some ways its it's easier to make decisions for my SIL; in other ways it's harder. I don't feel I know her as well as my parents and can't as easily ask myself what they would have chosen when they had all their faculties. Am I taking the easy way for myself or because it's really in her best interest?
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