I do not know if I should pursue this route, but I’d like to hear from you how to appeal a hospice discharge.
My husband has advanced dementia and has been receiving hospice care at home for two years. I was informed today by the hospice nurse and social worker that they deem him to be “stable” with medication and therefore he is not eligible for hospice. I was also informed of the appeal option.
I realize that 2 yrs in hospice is long, but only people who “graduate” from hospice are those who get better. People with dementia like my husband do not get better; only worse. So, am I on a strong ground if I appeal the decision? Has anyone appealed for their loved ones who have advanced dementia?
I hope it helps you in some way.
But looking back, I do understand and I wasn't surprised about the decision since he stayed in stable health for the eighteen months, and I attribute a lot of that to the care he was getting. I also did not feel that he was ready and planned on getting better, as I felt as well. He had multiple slow progressive comorbidities which eventually caught up with him, until his skin started failing. At that point, he was taken to the hospital, and was sent home in hospice care, and it was definitely different that time. He only made it another week.
As others have said in here, it wouldn't hurt to appeal. But if he has been maintaining a steady stability state of health for so long, they may decide palliative is best for now, until things show a definite decline.
No matter what, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this time, and hope you will gain some additional GOOD memories with him during this time, to be able to hold onto. The three years we dealt with my dad's situation were difficult for everyone involved, but now there is just another empty part in my heart without him, especially with tomorrow being Father's Day.
Try this:
https://www.mbp.state.md.us/licensure.aspx
Does anyone here live in Maryland and have (or had) loved ones in hospice? If YES, do you know how I can find out if our primary care doctor must be licensed in Maryland in order to care for my husband?
We live in Maryland (near the border with Washington, DC), and our primary doctor is located and licensed in Washington, DC. My husband’s hospice in Maryland told me that his doctor must be licensed in Maryland. Since he is not licensed in Maryland, we need to switch to a hospice doctor. Our primary care doctor has been with us for 30 yrs, while we have yet to meet the hospice doctor. Maybe I am overwhelmed with stress and acting paranoid, but the switch sounds odd to me.
I'm so sorry your going through this.
My Mother was on Hospice for 3 and a half years and about a year before she died,I was just informed one day that Mother was going to be discharged.
I was so upset.My Mother was so ill,so
I called The Quality Improvement Organization and appealed the decision and the next morning I received a phone call that Mother had won the appeal.
It can't hurt to try.
Take care~
Also, did you have to submit anything for the appeal? Or was it just a phone call from you?
As long as there is a "documented decline" the person can be recertified and remain on Hospice.
This is not a "rule" that the Hospice makes up this is from Medicare and it is their criteria
You can appeal.
If you have documented decline that was not noted by the Nurse, CNA, Social Worker or other members of the staff, and this includes documentation that Volunteers complete then you should have no problem with the appeal.
You can also contact another Hospice and see if they will accept him, You may have to wait a bit of time. And if you wait the original Hospice may take him again.
I initially wanted hospice after she fell and be came bedridden and incontinent, and given the diagnosis of dementia in April 2020.
The palliative care nurse at the hospital refused, and mom was sent to a snf for 'rehab". Even one of the doctors at the hospital said that he couldn't imagine what rehab could do for her.
She was given physical therapy at the snf which I protested about, feeling that rehab in a 94 year old woman, who was demented, bedridden and incontinent was useless.
The snf refused to let her out and used up all 100 of her rehab days for that Medicare benefi period.
I had constant fights over the with the social worker, and the snf administrator.....I could not get inside because of COVID restrictions.
It was absolutely awful. The NH made a large profit from the Medicare filled bed for rehab.
From there she was in assisted living with an enhanced license, and I pulled her after 2 months.
To make a long tragic story short, I had her evaluated for home hospice, by a physician that made house calls. She was a 6e on the FAST scale, and approved by hospice.
Her weight had declined drastitically, and she was severely malnourished.....they look at albumin levels and evaluate for signs close to marasmus.
It was a long story when I could not keep changing diapers fast enough, as the primary caregiver......I called 911 and she found to have c difficile.
The social workers and attending at the hospital we're miserable to deal with......and they sent her to the yet another snf after a short course of antibiotics.
I got her released from the snf, and got her home where she qualifed for hospice.
This is a brutal money making business by snfs.......they will milk Medicare for every cent....100 days....doing useless therapy.
Mom never could walk again, and remained incontinent . They insisted on keeping her until ready for a for a one personer trasnfer from bed to wheelchair , from a 2 person transfer.
Long story short.....I brought mom home and she was approved for hospice yet again......she was emaciated, couldn't do any adls and was bedridden and incontinent.....this was October 2020.
I watched her decline before my eyes, until she couldn't even roll over in bed, swallow or open her mouth.
I would appeal for hospice as dementia is a terminal diagnosis, and I watched a progressive decline, delusions, hallucinations, etc......until her death in march 2021.
I would appeal for hospice.....dementia is a brutal progressive illness.
Sadly some facilities will take advantage of those who are ill to fill their coffers.
Doctors are the one who order hospice. Speak with the ordering MD and ask how strong a case you have that death is imminent in a 1/2 year time frame.
If dementia is his only real issue, I'm not too surprised they took him off hospice. Dementia's not what I'd call life-threatening in the short-term, which is what hospice is about.
Unfortunately, stable and hospice don't go together.
Although elders with advanced dementia do not get better, they also do not necessarily pass away within a 6 month period, again, which is what qualifies them for hospice services. So that's what your hospice company has likely determined in your DHs case. Does he have any other serious medical conditions going on besides dementia, such as a heart condition, that may add to his 'qualifying reasons' for hospice services?
Why not appeal this decision? What have you got to lose? Like my husband always says, the answer is NO if you don't ask.
I had a hard time getting hospice to approve my mother for their services, even though she was 1 month shy of 95 with advanced dementia, CHF and AFIB herself. They finally approved her, with reservations I might add, in December of 2021. She was doing pretty well for the first 2 months, normal vital signs, eating well, albeit agitated and slumping over in her wheelchair more and more on a daily basis. Then one day, out of the blue, she went to bed; her heart was giving out. She never came out of bed; she became semi comatose immediately and passed away on the 8th day after taking to her bed. That was 2 months and 1 day after she was accepted into the hospice program. The hospice nurse was literally shocked at her rapid decline and subsequent passing; she said she'd never expected it!
My point is, you just never know when an elder is going to begin the downslide toward their end of life journey. If you feel your DH is at this point in his life, then definitely appeal the hospice decision.
Wishing you the best of luck.