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Hello, my mom is 76 years old. I am living with her, temporarily, as I had to come back to New Mexico after my divorce. I have noticed my mother's anxiety is off the charts. She cleans excessively and she found a bug in her bed. This led to having to change the bed, me calming her down (she was in tears), and everything I do annoys her. She refused to sleep in her bedroom until the exterminator comes out to spray.She really hates my dogs, for one, as they do normal dog things like shed, track in a bit of mud, etc.
She still can do all basic hygiene and can remember most things, but will be absent minded a bit. I have plans for my own life in a couple years, and she has talked about moving closer to her sister. Is this irritability a just old age? She has a hard time sleeping and her anxiety is hard to see.

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It sounds as though your mother would prefer you NOT to be living with her. We usually hear this the other way around! She doesn’t like your dogs, she didn't like the bug/s that turned up after you moved in, and she has different hygiene/ cleaning ideas. You seem to have assumed that your own life changes mean that you (and the dogs) can naturally stay with her for a couple of years. That her irritability is just old age – a sign of ‘mental decline’.

She is my own age, and if my daughters tried this one on me, they would get more than ‘irritability’ in reply!
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Isthisrealyreal Jul 30, 2024
I agree. Moms life has been hijacked and it is showing.

Doggymom, go get your own place, bringing multiple animals to someone else's home because you need a place to live is very self-centered, imo.

My dad wanted to bring 4 of the 8 dogs he and his wife had, nope, 1 was it and that was being generous. My world wasn't going to be hijacked by a selfish senior that thought they were more important, even though he was the one that needed a place to stay. Don't be one of those!
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I actually rented this place. My mother was living with my brother and offered to live with me while I readjusted. I did not come into a home my mother already had, and would't unless it was themost dire circumstances.
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I actually gave up all except two of my dogs. I can afford to live on my own, but do not know where my mother would go. I rented this house, as I have plans to leave the state in a couple years. My brother is OCD and my mom has always had anxiety issues. She lived with my brother and sister in law for ten years. I had the divorce happen, and she offered to live with me until I adjusted. My mom doesn't want to go back to living with my bro as she feels that she disturbs their life

I know my grandma developed crippling anxiety and agoraphobia at the last of her life and I don't want to see my mom go through it .
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Isthisrealyreal Jul 30, 2024
So why are you asking if her normal behavior is a sign of mental decline?

Tell her she has to leave as you can not subject yourself or your dogs to the nonsense in your home.

You state you are living with her, temporarily. That is different then what you are saying.
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I guess I should rephrase what I meant. She stayed that living me was temporary until she was sure I was back in my feet. I don't mind having her here, but she also seems...not happy. I was away for 15 years so I love her but also worry about her anxiety levels.
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iameli Aug 6, 2024
It sounds like (due to her anxiety) you feel that YOU are on your feet more than your mother. Is a senior apartment for her a possibility? She'd then have her own place with support (cleaning, transportation, meals, etc.) that she could keep to her standards.
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Doggy mom, it could possibly be the beginning of her brain declining or changing.

They say after 65 the brain starts to decline.

I'm a little confused, this if your house, your moms living in?
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Anxietynacy Jul 30, 2024
Nevermind, read your last post , now I'm getting it.
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No it's not mental decline, but rather that your mom is not enjoying living with you anymore.
So help her find a place of her own, so you and she can have peace in your lives, where you both can do what you want, when you want and if you want.
Living with someone that you're not used to living with can be very stressful and cause great anxiety. I'm guessing that once mom is on her own that her anxiety will decrease tremendously.
Plus since you're newly divorced, you really need to be living on your own anyway, so you can truly enjoy the life ahead of you, without all the extra drama.
Don't you think you had enough drama with your ex-Mark? Or are you one that thrives with lots of drama in their lives?
The older I get, the less drama I want in my life, however I know that you are much younger, and perhaps haven't reached that stage yet.
But you can't put a price on peace, and that is worth far more than any drama, and peace cannot coexist with drama. So take your pick.
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DoggieMom86 Jul 30, 2024
Yeah, I am just unsure where my mom would go. She doesn't want to move back with my brother and the only other option would be her sister in Arkansas. I guess being in her 70s too much change kicks up her anxiety. She has had anxiety for years, but it's getting a lot more severe with age.

I hate seeing her stressed and I love her, but I am unsure what to do. I make any kind of noise and it sort of annoys her.
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Whether or not there’s mental decline would need a complete evaluation by a neurologist to determine. As for anxiety, my dad definitely developed this. His doctor was excellent in discussing this with him and added a small daily dose of Zoloft. It was a gift to dad, calming the sadness and anxiety that so often had overtaken him. Perhaps it’s time to go with mom to her doctor and ask about this
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I agree with others to have her see her doctor and discuss meds for her anxiety (and maybe depression?) This is merciful. She maybe should also get a baseline cognitive/memory exam. At my free annual Medicare wellness check they asked me if I wanted that test (which is included for people over a certain age) and I said yes. My Mom (95) started the lowest dose of Lexapro this spring for depression and it helped her a lot.

She should really be in IL or AL so that she can have her own private space/life to help reduce her anxiety and give her kids their own lives. Whoever she lives with will become her caregivers eventually.

Who is her PoA?
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DoggieMom86 Jul 30, 2024
She is mentally competent so she does not have PoA. Her sister, who is ten years younger really wants her to move with her as they have similar temperaments. I guess she should see the doctor if for no other reason her anxiety. Depression and anxiety run in the family.
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I think aging in general can cause anxiety, with or without any cognitive decline.

The older we get the more set in are ways we get, I'm going to try to not let that happen. But it does to us all one way or another.

I can definitely see how to some having a dog around all the time after not having one , could go either way. It could be a positive company, or like your mom.

Best of luck, doggiemom
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There's no need for your mom to live with such crippling anxiety, not nowadays when meds are available to address the issue. Even issues that "run in families" should be addressed by medical professionals and medicated accordingly.

My mother was so anxiety ridden and OCD her whole life, refusing to treat it, that she wound up driving everyone else crazy! Once she went on Wellbutrin, she calmed down quite a bit......at 86 years old! 😑

Don't write things off to "old age" without getting them checked out. Crying over a bug is not normal. Whether mom hates having you and your dogs around we cannot say. Just ask her. If that's the case, and it's your house she is living in, drive her over to her sisters place. Although two anxiety ridden women living together w/o addressing their issues sounds like hell on earth to me......


Best of luck to you.
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This actually sounds like anxiety, and I think have dogs there if she isn't into them isn't a good thing. I would, if you are able, find your own digs while you get settled, because the added anxiety isn't working well for her. I think otherwise I would not overworry this whole thing. I surely do hope you haven't "stepped out of the frying pan into the fire".
Don't take over anything. Let her handle everything as she has been doing without you there. By that I mean SHE handles whether to get an exterminator and calling and etc. Do NOT trip into enabling this behavior. If there's a lot of anxiety suggest she discuss with her MD, NOT WITH YOU. Hopefully she will move by the sister, not by or with you.
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POAs are gotten before cognitive problems come into the picture. Once someone is diagnosed with Dementia they are jo longer able to assign POA.

I read all your responses so far. Get Mom help with her anxiety. Then maybe an apt of her own. Where I live, HUD has apts for Seniors. They require you pay 30% of your monthly income for rent. There is help out there for her.

I will be 75 soon and I know it would be hard for me to live with one of my kids.
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I am not sure I could live with my adult daughter and her pets. I would probably have some anxiety of my own. lol We live very differently and have our own routines and what not.

I think helping your mom move closer to her sister so that she can enjoy her golden years would be a nice thing that you could help her with.

At the age of 76, she does need to put some things in place so that when she does need assistance, POA (financial & medical) has already been established.

My mom had a lot of anxiety and had a hard time making decisions in the beginning of her decline. A visit to someone who specializes in dementia would not be a bad thing for your mom.
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Sorry you are dealing with this. Indeed, many things might be going on. A medical evaluation first is in order to do routine blood work as well as making sure some other things are "normal:" tyroid (if out of wack, can case several things that might look like -- mimic -- anxiety/OCD), B12 (another one that if "not in the normal range" can cause "mood disorders," ditto for sleep apnea (does she snore loudly?) and other medical conditions. That is, first rule out an underlying medical issue(s).

The primary MD should also do a "Medicare Depression Screening" now covered to see if this might be an issue. Depression and Anxiety often go hand in hand. If she is willing to express to her MD "her concerns" -- that MD might consider a low does anti-anxiety Rx or anti-depressive Rx (many treat both).

If you know her primary MD, you can also communicate with him/her re: your concerns. Her MD cannot tell you anything about her, unless she has given you explicit permission, but family members can always "tell" the MD their concerns. Note that your are sharing this in "confidence" but want him/her to know you are seeing severe anxiety in your mom and that worries you. Perhaps at her next visit he/she can talk about this and perhaps consider a Rx for this.
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Isn't everyone absent minded at times?

It sounds to me like you and your dogs have a great deal to do with exacerbating your mother's anxiety. It's her home.

If I were you, I would make plans to move out ASAP and allow your mother to live as she pleases without animals in the house and without you putting her under a microscope. Especially since everything you do annoys her.

We often perplex ourselves with imaginary troubles. We decide that things are worse than they are so we set out to fix them and end up making them worse.
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MargaretMcKen Aug 6, 2024
I made the same assumptions as you to begin with, that it was M's home and OP should move out. In fact it's OP's tenancy and home, and M has moved in. I would also not like the dogs, but M made the choice to move in with them.
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I would got mom set up in an independent living or assisted living apartment, depending on if she needs a little extra help. Being in her own apartment sounds like it would be better for everyone.
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Your mom is starting to show signs of cognitive decline. She may have suffered with anxiety and depression all along too. See if your mom is willing to see a doctor. She is probably fearful of accepting the fact that she is going through these changes. My mom was in denial. It will get worse if she isn't treated for her anxiety. Please try to encourage your mom to see a doctor.
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Looking back, crippling anxiety was one of the first symptoms of my father-in-law's cognitive decline. He was put on sertraline a few years ago now and it's helped.
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DoggieMom86: Perhaps your mother should visit a neurologist.
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It's difficult to say whether your mum is suffering from mental decline or if she has poor mental health. Tbh, this mostly sounds like the latter to me, but only an assessment by a doctor will tell you for certain.
I think that your mum needs to see a doctor for help with whatever is reducing the quality of her life.
I also think that you should live separately from your mum. You need your own life.
Mum is of an age when she can move into some type of senior living facility. She would have the opportunity of making new friends her own age and joining in with any activities available.

It wouldn't be selfishness on your part to encourage your mum to expand her horizons, as living with her children means that her world has shrunk. I don't think it could have been good for her to have lived with your brother for so many years - since she was a relatively young woman.

You also need to consider that it would be more difficult for your mum to transition into a more suitable accommodation in two years time, after having got used to living with you.

You don't need your mum holding your hand and your mum doesn't need to be somewhere that's clearly causing her stress. Make the change now, for both your sakes.
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DoggieMom - It sounds like your mom has not lived alone for a long time. (ever?) It also sounds like it is hard for her to live with anyone, as she is not very adaptable. Does your brother want her back, or were they happy to ship her to you and get a break?

Her idea of moving in with her also anxiety-ridden older sister is likely to not go well either. People like this tend to think a move will be all "roses-roses" and generally that honeymoon period is very short-lived.

At mom's age, a good option right now may be to find her a place of her own, maybe a senior apartment, where she can live close to one of you, but not WITH one of you. Either you or your brother would fall into the over-seer role for a time, but YOU can limit her demands to fit YOUR schedules.

If she goes to the 10-year-older anxiety-ridden sister, your mom will most likely be called on a lot, and she will likely become the caretaker of big sis. With Mom's anxiety, it is really doubtful that she could handle that role!
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My mother has always lived with someone. It was me until I was 22, then she lived with my bro and his wife. She came to live here with me because of all the stress I had moving and my mental state was shaky. It has stabilized some, but she has not lived alone to my knowledge. She married at 18, had my half sister and brother. She divorced 18 years later. I was born when she was 38, and she was a single parent. She has never remarried or had a long-term relationship. I have my own plans and I love her, but, I can't sit on my hands.

I feel my SIL wants their privacy. My aunt is younger than my mom, but thinking of living in senior housing close to my aunt. I think my mom needs this as well.
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Her level of anxiety is a mental health issue. Please talk to her about seeing a psychiatrist - preferably a geriatric psychiatrist - to evaluate and treat her anxiety disorder.
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this might be because you have moved into her home. And it is her home. I hope you and your dogs are treating it with grace and respect. And I hope you are paying your fair share in the housing expenses. (food, mortgage, utilities,) And I hope you are doing chores around the house as well. (I would expect the same for a mom that moved in with a grown child.)

You have dogs, this brings another level of stress for someone that is used to being alone.
Now a few questions..
Has mom always been a little OCD about cleaning? If so this is nothing new and I would worry more if she stopped if this has always been a thing for her.

You say mom is a bit "absent minded" That is par for the course when there is a lot going on. BUT if she is forgetting appointments, forgetting to pay bills, forgetting where she lives, forgetting where the dishes go that is a whole 'nuther aspect of forgetfulness and it should be checked.
If she drives, have you ridden with her? Is she safe? (is the public safe with her driving?)

We are getting close to Open Enrollment time you could encourage her to get a physical before the end of the year if she has not seen a doctor in a while.
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sp196902 Sep 11, 2024
Nope mom moved into the place she is renting. Hopefully mom is paying her fair share of rent and utilities.
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