I am an only child caring for my father, age 90, and has had Parkinson's Disease for 10 years, but probably longer. He did well with it on C/L for many years, even after a stroke, which he fully recovered from. He also has CHF, T2 diabetes, and other issues. He did rely on a walker but lived alone for 7+ years until recently with just part-time caregivers. About 6 months ago, he started to decline rapdily. He told me his legs would freeze up when trying to walk and there were many times my husband and I had to go help him up off the floor. Then the falls started, just minor at first. I begged him to move to AL but he refused. Then one morning at end of May my caregiver found him on the floor, face down, not sure how long he'd been there but he'd had a serious fall. Trip to the ER, followed by surgery to fix a herniated disc, 2-week hospital stay then rehab, and now he's in long-term care at the skilled nursing facility where he did rehab. All doctors and PTs etc. say he cannot live alone, and he has no other family, he has outlived everyone - it's just me, his only child and my husband. I have a teen daughter and a job, so I cannot take on full-time care for him nor do I want to, so unfortunately long-term care is the only option. I am having to clean out his huge house of 45+ years on my own and sell it to pay for care. It's just been a lot the past month and a half, and I am overwhelmed and burnt out.
My dad now needs 2-person assist to get up and down, cannot walk but a few steps with assistance, can't dress himself, etc. He definitely has some cognitive decline happening as well, as he has had hospital delerium and now it seems that has stayed as he has periods of seeming totally lucid and fine, and then he's very confused and has delusions or thinks he's back working in management at his old corporate job. I had noticed some mild congitive changes a year prior to the fall - he fell for a phone scam and it was a living nightmare to get him to see he was being scammed and I was not the bad guy and it cost him $10K. Then he became more forgetful, missing meds sometimes, things like that, so I extended caregiver's hours to be there more often because he insisted on living alone and I was scared of a fall happening that would cause decline like this and that is what happened.
My dad's neuro was useless. We've been trying to get in with a new neuro that specializes in PD and we had an apt then I got Covid and couldn't take him, then boom, the fall happened. We do have an apt. in a couple of weeks with this new neuro, but I was wondering if others have been through something like this with an elderly person having fast decline after a fall/surgery type of event?
In addition to the mobility issues now, and the definite cognitive issues, my father has also lost around 27 lbs since this happened end of May. He is still eating but not much at all, he says he doesn't have much of an appetite. He sleeps much of the day and is very tired all the time. Twice he was found unresponsive at the SNF - the first time, they rushed him to ER and they ran a bunch of tests and found nothing. Second time it happend the doctor was there and realized it was due to low BP and it was happening when he was being helped up from lying/sitting to standing, he would pass out. They have adjusted his BP meds and that seems to have stopped the episodes. He also just had his first UTI that caused an increase in confusion and he is still being treated for that. With all of these things together, the loss of mobility, delusions, short-term memory issues, not eating much, weight loss, sleeping a lot, low BP blacking out episodes -- are all of these things signs of end-stage PD? I am just trying to prepare myself for what is coming, and also what to ask the new neuro about. I also wonder when I need to approach the subject of when to get a Hospice evaluation, I don't know if he is there yet.
Anyone else with a LO with PD that can help tell me about end stages?
Now they put him at advanced stage, he is some 20 years younger than your father and all test show in good health, no dementia at all.
However, after one and two subsequent surgeries this year he had similar symptoms to your father, some manageable, he lost weight while in rehab, was sleeping lots due to meds, now being home and eating better and adjustment made to meds made it better and he is improving. Somewhat. Because as it is progressive disease and new symptoms appear, in his case swallowing difficulties etc.
It is my understanding that all those symptoms and rapid rate of progression could mean MSA, which is worse and sudden death is common.
And nobody dies from Parkinson but mostly of aspiration pneumonia or falls.
So even though now progression seems to be slower, there could be new symptoms appearing soon.
The only thing is accepting which is hard as this terrible disease does not make any sense.
Time to talk to his Dr and get the info. He won't get 'better'...and at least you can make him comfortable. That's the kindest thing you can do now.
can you expand on this?
I myself don’t have family members with PD, but I have several friends who have elderly parents with PD.
I’m sure you know:
“end-stage” doesn’t mean much. Maybe those words make it clear that it’s the last stage of PD.
But “end” isn’t correct. The “end” can go on for years, with some poor elderly PD people kept alive for years in an awful state. Awful quality of life.
PD is awful. For whatever reason it’s part of our world.
Some of us might get it too. I hope not.
“Freezing feet” and falling is very common - so is the desire of the PD person to take unnecessary risks and fall.
I wish your father love and strength, health; and the same to you.
Last stage can mean years as average length of PD is 15 plus years and each approx. stage could be 3-4 years. Nobody knows.
Some symptoms initially diagnosed as PD but with rapid progression, but rarely dementia
Difficulty in starting to move
clumsy and dropping things
Finding it difficult to fasten buttons
Unable to balance without support
Difficulty writing
Slurred speech
Bladder problems
Feeling dizzy or fainting (blood pressure problems)
Pain around neck and shoulders (known as ‘coat hanger pain’)
Constipation
Cold hands and feet
Problems with temperature control
Excessive sweating
Restless sleep
Nightmares
Noisy breathing during the day and excessive snoring at night (known as ‘stridor’)
Weak, quiet voice
Swallowing problems, difficulty chewing, choking episodes
Eye muscle weakness which may cause blurred vision.
It is my understanding it is difficult to diagnose so often it is only probable diagnosis, last about 7 - 10 years as opposed to Pd 15 plus. Sudden death is common and it is believed to be rare disease.
As we approach the end of our lives here on earth, all the marvelous systems in our bodies start to malfunction and shut down, hence, "end-of-life" issues.
Our bodies may indeed die, but our souls/spirits continue. And the choice of Heaven or Hell forever is ours to make. The wages of our sin is death...yes, we All have sinned and fallen short of God's holiness.
Christ the Messiah paid the penalty for our sins....thus, we are free to enjoy Heaven forever. Our part is to Repent, turn away, from our sins and put our full trust in the Lord, Who took our punishment upon His perfect self, He became the perfect sacrifice for all humans, IF we Repent and Trust in Him and His saving work on the cross, and in His amazing Resurrection!
Watch Ray Comfort on YT to see the Gospel come alive, and watch as Unbelievers actually listen, and some put their trust in Jesus Christ our Savior! It's really interesting and miraculous!
Shalom to all here! 💜🕊💜
Don't wait until it is too late. So many wait too long.
Linakaloo13,
vegaslady is correct, people with PD often don‘t require NH, as some are doing OK with meds and live fairly normal life.
My husband is in advanced stage 4, but, except for mobility issues, which, on occasions gets better and then worse, so he needs walker. His other symptoms come and go, but he has absolutely no dementia.
Each PD person experience is so different that is why there is hard to establish progression, generally it should be slow. It is horrible disease.
I have hope, but I am realistic as well.
somehow, he only needed stitches one time. He was going to beat PD by god.
It may be the age factor that catches up to PD patients, once you hit your 90’s and have PD you don’t seem to have the reserves necessary to fight the many levels of the disease.
Papa got very very weak, the walker was holding him up at home. We convinced him to go for rehab (2nd time) where CHF developed, so he never went home.
As others have said, this is a progressive disease, it sounds your Dad’s is progressing rapidly. Parkinson’s uses so much energy just to survive, your poor Dad must be exhausted.
I also vote for a Hospice consult. Since you’re going it alone, it may help you to hear what they have to say.
Like Alzheimers, PD is different in each person. My BIL (78) showed signs about 6 years ago but did not get answers for 2 years. He has gone from a strong, smart (PhD smart) athelete to a fraile weak, man who can not do much of anything in the last 2 years. My sister had to place him in Feb when the Dr told them neither of them were safe to continue home care -even with help. He has Lewy Body Dementia too. When she first moved him, he told everyone she had sold their home and was living with a new boyfriend, so very painful to hear. She visits him 3 or 4 times each week. He has NOH and the staff finally sees it coming (he gets tremors, tilts to one side and can go down in a flash) due to the BP suddenly dropping. They MUST keep him hydrated and have salt pills near by. Adjusting the meds in a care facility is very hard and my sister actually pays a former CG to come 3 nights a week to over see his evening routine. I totally agree to reach out to the Parkinson's foundation, a great resource.
The long slow goodbye is heart-wrenching I am sorry you are going thru it too. If this is the end for my dad, I just keep praying for it to be fast and painless for him, this ongoing decline and all the medical treatments and tests is just so much.
https://www.hgtv.com/shows/everything-but-the-house
Maybe asking Dad to fill out end-of-life documents will give you the answers you need.
(copy and paste) https://www.lawdepot.com/us/estate/living-will-medical-power-of-attorney/?pid=googleppc-19935678545-605719204254_sl-ggkey_end%20of%20life%20documents&gclid=CjwKCAjww8mWBhABEiwAl6-2RaR7YFQCPPBa6P0xYFuOYLiOGGejeDmIue9c4oc1iHYNoKkj3vqfMxoCJTYQAvD_BwE#.YtL7zi-B1p8
I read this or similar study. General consensus of medical establishment is that PD patient do better at home, if they only have motor symptoms, however, OP
with father‘s age and dementia she should not feel guilty, her father needs so much care.
However, the hospice evaluation may need to be delayed until his UTI is treated successfully.
I was pushing for hospice too because he looked like death, could only whisper to communicate, slept all day, kept getting aspiration pneumonia (4x), got a feeding tube, critical 5 inch open bed sore, got sepsis 2x, got ecoli, it was sad, I didn't want this for him. However, his Geriatric Doctor pulled my mom and I aside & told us not to put him in hospice because my Dad WANTS to live and hospice limits how they care for Dad, they won't pay for physical therapy, won't feed tube him, nor pay for occupational therapy, etc. What got me was when I asked the Hospice companies (I interviewed 3 different ones) if they would starve him to death because feeding him thru his tube is "life saving" and they confirmed they indeed would not feed him. That's what got me, I couldn't starve my Dad, that's not right. So, we brought him home, insurance set up in home PT, OT, and swallowing therapy, we gave him his parkinsons meds at the SAME TIME during the day (hospitals & SNF get too busy to be able to give meds at exact time which is SO IMPORTANT to manage the symptoms), hired a full-time caregiver 24 hours / 7 days and I gave a created a detailed careplan for the caregiver (one of the most important tasks for Parkinsons patients are to do the physical therapy / stretching everyday). After 3 weeks of this, he progressed so well we reduced caregiving to 8 hours a day, 6 days a week. Within 2 more months, he eats through his mouth, out of diapers, able to get himself out of bed, and is at Stage 3 Parkinsons. He does use a walker & wheelchair 95% of the time cuz he shuffles and his COPD makes him breathless. We have been able to reduce care to 4 hours a day, 4x a week and the purpose of the caregiver at this point is to keep him active with physical exercises, get him ready for the day, make him breakfast, companionship and honestly....to give my mom some sanity, go do errands, read the paper, etc. :) I acknowledge that 1on1 care is expensive and I get not everyone can afford to do this, I am just sharing my experience (my parents have taken out a loan to pay for his care).
Thank you for sharing.
In that time, he fell probably four or five times. For a while, we were able to get him up (although we had to call EMS for assistance the first couple of times), or he managed to get himself up. The last 2 times, EMS took him to the hospital because they wanted to have him checked out. His BP wasn't an issue, but he was having kidney issues - the first time he came home from the hospital after spending about a week to a week and a half in the hospital and their rehab.
The second time, he went from the hospital to a rehab off-site (NH, essentially). They took fabulous care of him, but his kidneys apparently were failing. Due to his insurance (he had Medicare and private health insurance), most of the care was paid for by insurance. We were planning to have him come home into a hospital bed (Craftmatic adjustable that we modified) when he passed.
It's possible that the things you describe are part of the "end-stage" PD process, but it's hard to tell without testing. I don't know whether they would run a kidney function test, but it sounds similar to what my dad went through in the months before he passed away. What others have said about hospice is good advice - it wouldn't hurt, and you don't need to start it right away.
May God bless you and your dad and give you some peace!! What you are doing is not easy, and it doesn't get easier. We lose them in bits and pieces, and it's only afterwards that we have the space to grieve, I think. <3