Lifelong tight bond with my mom.
Ever since my mom made me her POA my brothers have been beside themselves. As her POA I literally made it my full time job. Finding her the best AL that I personally decorated(she since was talked into moving back home). I found her the best rehab when she fell, that I also decorated, medication management and organization, best doctors, lift chairs, lift beds, urine collection system to prevent UTI, warm water bidet attachment, bought her hip pads, moved her moneys from savings accts into high paying CDs, sold her vehicle myself to get the highest price, which was a royal pita, found her private caregivers she now adores, changed her simple Will into a trust, got the 6k back she paid for dads funeral thru FEMA after a random google search, (FEMA reimburses for Covid deaths), which took me about 20 phone calls and 6 hrs on hold. Visited her twice a week, even though I live an hr away. Bought her clothes, shoes, healthy food delivery services. And more.. like I said it was my job.
Sorry. I needed to let that out! My mom has since revoked my POA with no explanation. My brothers finally talked her into it and all she said to me was, “it was better when I was in charge of my moneys”. She literally gave my one brother her POA. I was absolutely devastated she would turn against me after everything I did for her. She would brag about me to everyone. “My wonderful daughter, my daughter from heaven, I’m so lucky to have her, she’s my angel” and on and on. In the last few months she has treated me indifferently and when I’ve tried talking to her on the phone and crying she literally tells me, she needs to go and she’ll call me later, but she never does. She NEVER calls me and rarely texts me anymore. I know she’s angry I’m not visiting her twice a week but twice a month now. When I visit her now she reacts with a subtle smile, not a happy face like before. When I leave the room she starts whispering about me to her caregiver like a schoolgirl.
I’m assuming my mom still expected my undying love and attention after she did this to me. She literally uttered the words, “what did you ever do for me?” just a few weeks ago. That was so painful to hear from her lips. Especially because she is of sound mind. I’m getting more and more uncomfortable being around her.. The tension and disrespect are getting worse. I’ve caught her rolling her eyes to her caregiver when I’ve walked into the room.
It’s so devastating to lose your mother this way. I just want to shake her and make her realize what she’s done. She now acts lovey dovey with my brothers she once eye rolled behind their backs. Her mental state hasn’t changed. She’s still very sharp so I believe she knows exactly what she’s doing. I guess she feels there should be no consequences for her behavior from the people she gave life to.
WWYD?
We speak often here as regards POA and such about a person's ability to make their own decisions.
The fact is that being in the throes of dementia is a good deal different than being INCOMPETENT under the law. You can have a diagnosis of dementia and still make legal decisions.
It was RealyReal, some time ago, who brought that forth to me, speaking of Forum being a learning experience.
In researching--consider this fromThe VSED manual by Kate Christie:
"As our attorney Erin explained more than once, there are two types of decision-making capacity that relate, testamentary and decisional. Testamentary capacity (and contractural) can be fairly simple to assess. Does the person know who they are, do they know who they are authorizing on their behalf, and can they consistently articulate their decision. If yes, then the person is capable of legally signing the document."
It goes on to explain decisional capacity as the ability to understand information relevant to the document".
So, you don't need, often, to know who the President is, nor how to spell Forum backwards. Under the law your competency will be judged by your attorney carefully and according to the legalities and definitions of your state.
My own brother made me POA and Trustee when he was ALREADY DIAGNOSED with probable early Lewy's Dementia. He was questioned THOROUGHLY and ad nauseum by his attorney both privately and before me: At one point the attorney said "D. I need to know that you just gave your sister the farm. You put your sister in control of every penny you have. Your sister can now, if she wishes to, sell the gold out of your teeth". He examined him a whole bunch of ways, and that is absolutely as it should be.
But do know, just because someone has a diagnosis of dementia, it doesn't necessarily follow that that person cannot make legal decision, and rescind them at will up to that time they are diagnosed as INCOMPETENT under the law. And that legal diagnosis means you are REALLY GONE. The courts will not take an individual's rights as a citizen from him if he has any capacity of his own.
Communication from my perspective is key, and repetition is even better.
Hope this helps.
((HUG))
It makes sense what you said about survival mode. My mom is now living back home where my brothers live 2 mts away. They do her grocery shopping and errands now. Neither have ever married nor have children. I’m sure my mom now thinks her sons are her saviors. They rarely if ever visited her when she lived at the AL or hospital and rehab stays. Matter of convenience and bigger yet, watching over the golden goose. That inheritance is calling their name. Neither of them need the money. None of us need the money. They live very frugally as well. I would understand if they lived beyond their means, had wives, children, college etc… I don’t get it.
The funny part is that my grown child will be the sole beneficiary of everything! Those dopes think they’re taking everything to the grave. Smh
But reading your story makes me realize mom IS undergoing mental changes. That fact that she no longer cares about my life, or my health shows she is not the same mother I used to know. And similar to your situation, my mom is constantly worried about my brother and wanting to give him money, even though I was was caring for her 24/7, and managing her home and finances, and she's seen my brother maybe 8-10 hours total in the last year.
Dementia isn't a simple "yes/no" question. I think our elders decline in subtle ways sometimes, and in your mom's case she is being manipulated by your brothers. Believe me, I know how much it hurts to do all the work and caring and then have mom act like I'm never there for her. It really hurts, and I hope you (and I) can begin to care as much for ourselves as we have for our mothers over the past years.
My FIL 2 years ago was the same as your Mom . He could fill his pill box , knew what every med was for , was up on current affairs and politics, but had mail open and unopened all over his IL apartment stuffed in every drawer and 6 inches deep on all counter tops , table tops , every surface was covered and he had started putting more in shopping bags on the floors . It accumulated during Covid when we didn’t travel to see him. He sounded ok on the phone. When we finally flew to Florida when his wife died it was quite obvious they were not fuctioning and FIL had been looking after his wife who had moderate dementia . FIL could still carry on an intelligent conversation and could fool people . Now his conversations have gotten much shorter and superficial as his dementia progresses .
Do not EVER provide care for these a-hole brothers. Promise this to yourself *now*.
Another thing working against you is the ongoing social assumption that men know better than women about finances, cars, etc. Just one silly example (and I do not intend to diminish the seriousness and pain of what you've experienced with my dumb example): My sister would never trust me to check the pressure on her car tires and add air as needed. I would joke that she only trusted the work if someone with a penis did it. She also won't take financial advice from me even though she is horrible with money. But she is all ears when it's a guy offering the (usually not good) advice.
I would file this POA situation under "things I cannot change" and be done with it. You did your best and that's more than most of us can say, so pat yourself on the back for that!
It seems like that might have been when this "great relationship" you had started to unravel.
Your mother turning on you so quickly is almost certainly because she has some kind of dementia. Probably Alzheimer's and it can come on a person very quickly. Only her doctor can assess and diagnose it for sure and she should see her doctor.
What I would do and have done, is come right out and tell her all the things she did and that she should be ashamed of her ingrate, entitled, disrespectful, and downright horrendous behavior towards you.
This is not for her. It's for you. For your own good mental health. If she has dementia she'll forget about the telling off soon enough. If she doesn't, then it will give her something to think about and well she should.
My mother always pulled the 'What have you ever do for me?' BS too.
Until she got a big slice of the life she always complained she had. The one where I don't do anything for her. She didn't care for living on freezer-burned bread, stale crackers, and old peanut butter because I wasn't cooking or shopping so she was living on whatever scraps she found around the house. She didn't like not having clean clothes or her medications all laid out for her.
In fact I didn't even bother calling her. This went on for a while.
Then that big slice of life she always claimed to others she was living, was followed by an even bigger slice of humble pie.
I do not and will not tolerate entitled, ingrate behavior. Nor will there be snideness, or instigating, or belittling. If she wants something or wants to see me, she will behave respectfully towards me or it's not happening.
This is what you should try doing. With your brothers (I apologize to all the men out there) the honeymoon phase with her will soon end. She will start turning them and like so many sons, they will bail. Or if they're married, one of their wives will have the responsibility of your mother dumped on her.
That shouldn't bother you one bit though. Stepping back is a good thing to do. You can visit and call your mother. The minute the complaining or belittling starts, the visit and call ends. No exceptions.
Her BS is not your responsibility anymore. It's your brother's. I'm sure you're a kind person and will check up on her from time to time. You should do as suggested and call APS if you think she's being neglected. Your responsibility ends with that.
You could visit Mom if you want once or twice a month . If at some point you see and believe she’s not getting the care she needs you could call APS .
For some reason, there can be discord between siblings in these situations. It’s understandable that there are times when people with siblings wish they were an only child.
Things can flip and turn around so drastically that it boggles our mind. We have absolutely no control over other’s decisions.
As heartbreaking as this situation is, you don’t have any other choice but to accept it.
If they want to run the show, let them. They will soon find out that it isn’t an easy task. Hopefully, in time they will appreciate all of your past experiences and the time that you invested into caring for your mother.
I hope that your family will be able to sort this out in the future. If that isn’t possible though, find healing for yourself and do whatever is necessary for you to be at peace.
Are you able to talk to your brothers at all, and are you even certain they've turned her against you? I'd express my concern about her drastic personality change to her doctor at the very least and to the brother with POA if you speak to each other.
I'd also document all this along with dates and when she changed things. It might be useful should you need to go for guardianship at some point if you think she's being exploited.
Lifelong close relationship with mom severed.
My moms physical decline started a few years ago. My 2 brothers wanted to put her in a horrid home. I immediately stepped in, emitted her to the hospital to get her tested and put on all the appropriate medications. I found a beautiful AL, decorated her room for a princess, and also added some private care to insure she didn’t fall again. My mom has PLENTY of money btw. During this time period with many falls, rehabs I was by her side daily. My mom decided to make me her POA. What ensued was a complete shit**** from only one brother. The brother who my parents had entrusted to invest their money in rental properties in which he was the mgr and sole signer on each LLC property. I found this out after I became POA. My parents had directed him to add me to each LLC years ago in which he did not. From that point on my brother and I don’t speak.
Fast forward a yr. My mom was doing great, made so many friends at her Al. Hurricane Ian caused her to have to evacuate her Al. She went back to her home for the month it took to clean up the water damage at her Al. During that time my brother was in her ear daily, making her coffee and manipulating her. She decided not to go back to her Al. She continues to use private caregivers daily 9 to 5 at 6k a month. This brother is single never married no kids. He lives close by and now sleeps at her house nightly because I don’t want her alone in case of a fire etc.. I live an hr away and take her back to the Al she lived in weekly for happy hr to visit her friends, and spend Saturdays with her as well.
This brother has continued to manipulate her with neg conversations about me since she’s been back home. He accuses me of stealing from her. I am in charge of her 3 bank accts that show there has been absolutely zero unexplained withdrawals. My brother on the other hand still manages her many LLCs and will not show the statements. Btw I’ve been married to a very wealthy man for yrs who spoils me rotten. I’m the last person who needs to steal from my mom. My mom has told me numerous times that she trusts me and how I am not a greedy person etc.. Well all this has changed and now she’s “not sure.” Even though I send her her bank statements.
My brother has now convinced her to revoke my POA and I’m devastated. It’s just a punch in my gut that after all I did to ensure she stays with us with the best care possible. If I didn’t intervene she would’ve passed by now guaranteed. My brothers have only one thing on their minds. Inheritance preservation. I think she should be able to spend every dime she has in this last stage . FYI both brothers are very comfortable financially too.
In the last 3 weeks my mom has only called me to question my management of her accts in an accusatory manner and literally has hung up on me. She will then send me a text on Fridays asking if I’m going to happy hour with her. I have been ignoring the texts and haven’t seen her for 3 weeks.
I finally called her yesterday and literally heard her groan before she said hello. I called her out with this and she made up some bs excuse. I tried talking to her and resolving this issue but she didn’t want to talk about it and wanted to get off the phone and said she’d call me later. I know she will not call me. We’ve been so close as mother and daughter. My friends have always been envious of our relationship. I have dreams about this and wake up crying. She expects me to continue our relationship like nothings happened and I just can’t. After the hurtful accusatory phone calls and now the reaction I get when I call her. Like I’m bothering her. It’s extremely hurtful. She is still lucid and shows no signs of brain issues. It’s the daily manipulation she’s getting from my brother and he’s her number one now.
I’ve decided to end our relationship. Her betrayal is heart wrenching and I’m devastated. Am I overreacting?
I would wonder though if Mom does have some cognitive decline. It comes on little by little. I found my Mom hard to reason with. She believed my challenged nephew over me.
I should ask her for the money I paid the attorney who executed my POA. Kidding of course. I also believe my brother is paying himself out of her account for acting as her POA. I know this can be a customary practice. I NEVER took a penny from her account. I do not need the money, nor do my brothers!
My mother did not want to leave her home . My sister ( who never lifted a finger to help ) who complained to me and my other siblings that Assisted living was “ just an expensive hotel room with terrible food “ , was trying to preserve inheritance . My sister agreed with my mother that she should be living ( unsafely ) in her home and my sister added some other lies to get my mother to be even more angry with me .
My sister told my mother that I was stealing all her belongings and keeping the money from the sale of the house . The reality was I sold the furniture etc and the house to pay for my mothers care .
I too was devastated after all the help I did for a decade . On top of it my mother was a narcissist , difficult to deal with especially with dementia in the mix .
I ended up limiting my visits with my mother . And am no contact with my sister since .
Power of attorney should only be used once the person is not able to make their own decisions or not there to make their own decisions.
She probably feels or your brother's feel that you took control and ran with it. When it wasn't necessary.
I was my father's POA but it was required when he was moving into a nursing home (however my dad had absolutely no assets so there was no problem with my brothers and sisters because they didn't want to be POA - I was sort of forced to do it. ) Now if he had had a bunch of assets I think it would have been a different story.
The nursing home called me constantly because I was his POA but I always told them ask my dad he still makes his own decisions.
I have no idea why your mom would do this to you other than people take advantage of family and friends who are nice and good to them and always end up resenting the people who are good to them.
Those same people, like your mother, will go out of their way to be extra nice to the people who did not spend any time with them because they want those people's attention and they want to be liked by those people.
It is extremely difficult to understand and accept but
It happens all the time.
If I were you I would run while I had the chance because she's going to get much worse when she does get to the point that she has to have constant help. And those brothers are going to disappear and then she's going to blame you for not helping her all the time again. She won't blame them.
Let them take over and be glad for it.
When the doctor came in to talk to her he asked if she had a POA, she immediately said no but I want my daughter to have it. She knew I would make sure she got the best care possible. She always told me how trustworthy I was and how I wasn’t motivated by money.
I found out there were a lot of shenanigans involving her finances so I intervened. Caused tremendous anger with my siblings. 1 brother thought he would just keep her 42k vehicle. I said think again! I’m putting that money towards her care. Another brother had talked her into buying him a 225k piece of property from an inheritance check she was getting. Thank god I was at least able to foil that plan. I grabbed that money and put it in a cd. He was seething. She wasn’t incompetent she was gullible and they took complete advantage of it.
Your mother saying “ what did you ever do for me?”… She may not count the things you did for her because it wasn’t what she wanted or how she wanted things done . Very often the person closest who does help is the one that gets cr4pped on when the elderly person either doesn’t like their situation or how they have to adapt to it , or they aren’t happy when things aren’t done to their liking .
I’m sorry . I think either your Mom is very impressionable and your brother has said he will let your Mom do things different , or he suggested she come home , or your mother is having cognitive problems and does not want to lose control and is blaming you .
Either way you have two choices .
1) try to get to the bottom of what is going on .
2) Leave it be and just visit occasionally .
Good luck .
My brothers think she could have a live in caregiver. I’ve told them over and over she can’t afford that at 22k a month. They think they can find some random immigrant and pay them few hundred dollars a week cash.
My 3 older siblings didn't show up to his funeral either. Yet 86 other people did, He was a good person and greatly admired. After that, I cut them off. I went thru such tragedy and got zero support from my siblings. I was shocked at their behavior.
Cut them off and move on. They don't care about you or your Mom. Just whatever they can get out of it. Spend your time doing good to others in your life, and try hard to forget they exist. It's hard, but can be done. I know how you feel and it hurts.
Just know you have done your best, and they all will have really bad karma. Create your own success. Sad to say, but your Mom sounds 2-faced, like mine was. She isn't that sharp, she's being played by the Golden Boys. She will see how it feels to be suckered later on, and learn the hard way.
It's not that hard to cut them ALL off. You will be sad at first, then will get stronger every day. Good luck.
It would probably be better if you focused on making your own life happy, not on your difficult family relationships. It might help things to settle down and work better in future. That may sound a bit harsh, but it’s a different approach that could be worth thinking through.
Your brothers are likely misinformed thinking POA has to do with moms will and their inheritance. Or that her being in AL when you were POA was "wasting their inheritance ", since money is generally the root of all evil.
You say more than once that mother is still very sharp mentally, yet in the same breath, say, "She literally uttered the words, “what did you ever do for me?” just a few weeks ago." A person of sound mind KNOWS full well all you've done for her and would not utter such words. If she is THAT vulnerable to suggestion that your brothers were able to convince her you're The Bad Guy, then something IS wrong with her cognitive functioning.
Put your emotions aside for now and look at this picture logically. Mom's been set up to believe a lie making you out to be the evil daughter and sonny boys out to be golden. Mom needs an appointment with her doctor for a full medical AND cognitive workup and the "boys" need investigating as to what they're really up to here. Begin with the money trail because what else could be going on?
Good luck to you.
well, HAS them.
So true. Either these character flaws were always apparent, or Mom has gone round the bend. Hard, honestly, for us to judge.
We don't know her, so we couldn't hazard a guess, but I just wonder if perhaps your mother is no longer entirely in charge of her own faculties?
Is that the case?
You were managing all her finances, if I am correct; that usually only happens when the person can no longer safely manage them herself or has a dire diagnosis such as my brother did of Lewy's meaning that SOON enough you won't be competent.
Apparently there is some sibling rivalry going on as well?
Be all that as it may, I will in fact tell you what I would do at this point, since you asked.
I would keep up my visits, perhaps shortening them in time and making them only once weekly. I would simply answer any accusations regarding this choice with "I am so sorry you are unhappy; I am doing my best".
Were she to want to argue I would say "Mom, I didn't come here to explain myself or to argue. If we can have a pleasant time together that's wonderful. If not I am happy to go and return next week".
This would be my habit and I would not verge from it. I would not have a whole lot to do with brother's and their POA duties.
And most of all, I would get on with my life. Dear Dr. Laura has an expression that "No good deed goes unpunished." Meant to have some ironic humor, that, but all too often it is true. Simply get on with life. You did as you thought right; as you said, you did the job you were given. That is done now. You can get on with quality folks in a quality life that your poor mom will soon enough be exiting.