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Hello! My in laws have moved out after living with us for over three months. It is clear to all family members and friends that they can not live alone, however they are back in Florida in a 2nd story condo, with a car, and no help. This brings up a lot of safety issues, compounded by the fact that my 87 year old mother in law is very frail, but will be cooking, cleaning, etc. with no help. My father in law will do nothing and will not move, even though my mother in law has begged and cried. Their relationship is such that she will not leave without him, even if that means they will drive together, a situation which terrifies her, and she is already directly on the edge of a nervous breakdown. I'm wondering if there is any course the siblings (adult children) can take to force a move to a more structured living facility. Friends of theirs from the condo are contacting my sister in law expressing concern! There is an independent living facility near one of the adult children, with everything they need and want, its just the matter of my father in law refusing to change. We have all been very frank with him, telling him that his wife can not do this any more, and it fell on deaf ears. We held nothing back, to no avail. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Your MIL won't move withouy him?

That's sad. She is endangering her own life. Has she always been this submissive?

If someone (one of the "kids") showed up and offered her a ride to the IL facility, would she take the opportunity to move, or even to look?
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Call adult protective services. Tell them that there are two elderly living in what you believe to be a dangerous situation and that you would like a welfare check. You can do it anonymously if you like. Report Online https://reportabuse.dcf.state.fl.us/
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I’m sorry you’re finding yourself in what is a common dilemma here. The most proactive thing you can try is getting guardianship. The process is expensive and involved. And you’d have to know going in that the bar for someone being called competent is quite low. Next, if they have a trusted doctor you can try to get him/her on board with convincing them to choose a different option. I’d hope at the least your MIL would be convinced not to get in the car with FIL driving. You can try getting in home help for their needs, telling them it’s what’s required for them to stay there (and hoping they’d believe that is true) If they’d consent to touring other places, that could sell them on moving. Otherwise you join a pretty big group we call “waiting for the fall” where you have to wait out an event that will force change, and it will come no doubt
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Thank you for the reply. We have done all but getting guardianship. As a daughter in law I don't think I can do that, nor do I want that responsibility, as I'd have to go through the five siblings. Unfortunately my MIL will still drive with him. We will have to wait. It's a sad state. Thanks again.
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BeenThroughThis Mar 2021
Why are you worrying about the safety of MIL while driving with the dangerous FIL? You should care about the safety and lives of innocent pedestrians and other drivers. Allowing FIL to continue driving is extremely selfish of you, selfish of MIL, and selfish of all their children.
I suspect I will get snarky replies from some other readers but I stand by my statement.
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If they are competent, often you can't do anything unless and until there is a disaster that visits them. It really is stressful.

My parents were in independent living and dad was still driving with early dementia. I just knew he was going to be one of those elders that went for a trip to the neighborhood store but ended up several states away. At the time I didn't voice my concerns to my father (according to him he was perfectly capable of driving. AAAAAUUUUUUGH). I'd ask my mom from time to time and voice my concerns and of course she'd continue to ride with him as long as she felt safe - ya just gotta love it! Luckily nothing ever happened and I did get him to volunteer to give up driving. Of course, he complained for the next of year that I made him quit driving- I forced him to volunteer.

The family can try and get in home help, if that is refused, someone should call the appropriate gov agency to do an evaluation of their situation. I wouldn't think the authorities wouldn't appoint a guardian/conservator for them without working with the family first.

The family needs to present a united front and continue try and convince them they deserve a better and safer life. Good luck.
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Will he hire help so MIL doesn't have to take care of everything?

Unfortunately you can't force anything unless he has been declared legally incompetent by a judge.

What a shame that he doesn't think more of his wife. She is the one that will suffer from his stubbornness.

I would try to get daily help for her if that is the only way to help her.
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This is horrible. First of all, I would speak to an eldercare attorney and somehow get a Power of Attorney - at least for your mother. If you have the POA you can take over and put her where she is safe. As to your FIL, I'd tell him where to go and I'd make it plain to him that your mother is going, no if's, and's or but's and he either goes along or he will be on his own with NO help when his time comes. Get tough and get going. Also enlist the help of her doctor. Good luck.
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Riley2166 Apr 2021
And do call the Office on Aging in your county who will get you connected with the professionals who can come in and assess the situation and help.
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I would encourage the friends who call to call Adult Protective Services. Children, if they don't want to seek guardianship, should be encouraged to do the same.

Does Gma realize that the state will take guardianship and neither she nor her kids will have ANY say in where they end up? (This is unlikely to happen, but CAN. I might tell a therapeutic fib strong enough to get her to make a move).
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Your FIL, tell me more.

He was willing & able to move to a condo? But not accept home help or move to IL/AL. Why?

? He's the boss - don't be telling ME what to do youngsters! (Pride)

? Because HE is ok & is too egocentric to glace over as his wife & see her needs? (won't or can't).

Or maybe doesn't know what to do or how to go about it - staying put is just easier. (Judgement & planning skills kaput)

On a scale from Flexible like a sapling to Inflexible like concrete - where would he be?

PS I forgot fear. Is he scared of a vision of a 1900s nursing home. Has he ever toured a new hotel like AL facility?
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If the situation is not safe and/or their health is threatened, call Adult Protective Services or the local police on their non-emergency line.
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